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#12663 of 16087 Can we please get back to talking about the cars? by markcincinnati

Dec 14, 2011 (3:13 pm)

Replying to: sweendogy (Dec 14, 2011 12:27 pm)
We can talk about ALMOST anything we want on this particular forum -- and unless we wander too far off subject or get rude and crude or start making ad hominem statements to others, well, it seems to be tolerated.
 
At the moment, my interests are somewhat of a strategic or future nature; I am wondering what in the wide wide world of sports Acura means by its statement that it will "de-emphacize"performance (at least that is how it read to me.) Sure, we're talking about ELLPS cars here, but I don't think that suggests that we're not interested in performance.
 
I am interested in these cars, at this point in time, due to the fact that they give their owners most of the ""L" of the LPS cars and almost all of the "P" (or at least they seem to have up until now.)
 
If Acura wants to no longer persue "P" does that mean they will focus more on "L"? I mean how can you remain in the Premium class if you are not either heavy on the "L" (Lexus and often Mercedes comes to mind) or heavy on the "P" (and Audi and BMW -- and sometimes even Cadillac -- spring to mind).
 
It seems Acura is attempting to prep me (if I can be prepped, that is) to accept "good cars," since we're no longer going to even try to make great cars (insofar as lux and/or performance is concerned.)
 
The 2012 TL SH-AWD Advance seems to embody a lot of performance and a lot of luxury (in the ELLPS world, I mean) at a good price. My TL's content for the dollar seems high -- considering, too, that Acura seems more willing to deal on the selling price than, say, Volvo or Audi.
 
As I read the variety of "press release" type of communications coming out of Acura these past couple of days, they seem to be saying -- we're going to have 5 really good cars and 1 super car to choose from. We are going to build, mostly, "really good cars" -- we're going to focus on value, green-ness and that Acura DNA (whatever that is).
 
They continue by saying, "Our customers tell us they don't buy our cars first and foremost for performance -- and even a great sound system is #5 on our surveyed customer's list."
 
I am interested in hearing from you on this topic and others and about other manufacturers. Hell, I'd bet I've had more Audis that the vast majority of folks and I would be glad, damn glad, to chat and opine and bloviate on that subject too.
 
Let's get back to talking about the cars. OK?
 
 

#12664 of 16087 Re: Sween [kirstie_h] by tlong

Dec 14, 2011 (3:15 pm)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Dec 14, 2011 12:19 pm)
Let it go - it really is NOT that important in the grand scheme of things.
 
Agreed. It's tiring to have some of those posts clogging up this forum.

#12665 of 16087 Re: Sween [tlong] by sweendogy

Dec 14, 2011 (8:27 pm)

Replying to: tlong (Dec 14, 2011 3:15 pm)
Thanks for posting Part of the post.

#12667 of 16087 Re: Can we please get back to talking about the cars? [markcincinnati] by sweendogy

Dec 14, 2011 (8:53 pm)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Dec 14, 2011 3:13 pm)
Took me a while to he threw that- I will as soon as you do one of 2 things- keep a post to less the 1k words or come up with a topic. The choice is yours.

#12668 of 16087 Re: Sween [nyccarguy] by flightnurse

Dec 14, 2011 (9:01 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Dec 13, 2011 10:34 am)
I see the Acrua CSX here in PHX this time of year with the snow birds in town. I found it interesting that Canadians will pay extra for a fancy Civic.... Then we have people complain that the TSX is a fancy Accord. I'd take the TSX over the CSX anyday.

#12669 of 16087 Re: Can we please get back to talking about the cars? [sweendogy] by markcincinnati

Dec 15, 2011 (7:52 am)

Replying to: sweendogy (Dec 14, 2011 8:53 pm)
My last post was well under 1K words, it was 450.

#12670 of 16087 Re: Can we please get back to talking about the cars? [markcincinnati] by rayainsw

Dec 15, 2011 (8:07 am)

Replying to: markcincinnati (Dec 15, 2011 7:52 am)
'...it was 450.'
Even if over 1,000 words, of all those who post here,
his make the most sense.
To me.
FWIW.
- Ray
Sometimes guilty of long posts -
that no one is ever obliged to read....

#12671 of 16087 Re: Can we please get back to talking about the cars? [rayainsw] by billyperksii

Dec 15, 2011 (8:56 am)

Replying to: rayainsw (Dec 15, 2011 8:07 am)
I agree-the guy is an excellent writer, not that I agree with his take on Acura but I do like reading his opinions and insights.
 
PS- Mark, I am not kissing up, just been honest.

#12672 of 16087 Re: Can we please get back to talking about the cars? [billyperksii] by kdshapiro

Dec 15, 2011 (10:08 am)

Replying to: billyperksii (Dec 15, 2011 8:56 am)
The "bromance" is somewhat, uh...nauseating....lol.

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