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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12349 of 16984 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [markcincinnati]
Oct 24, 2011 (5:22 pm)
mark - good post-- something ive been saying for years- the acura line as we know it has not life and needs to be revived. Its been past by both lexus (luxury) and infiniti (sport) and no where near the germans. Where is the NSX, the integra, or the legend.. Cars are recycled from the parent acura line, like oldsmobile used to do with chevy cars.. olds no longer exists -for good reason. Acura needs to get the game back on, i agree, where is the passion for driving.sure they build a nice sedan that will last 10 years but.. sorry boys with the TSX and the TL's-- your cars are fine autos but not sports sedans.. (HOSTS its time for a change to this category, i mean its been 10 years, get rid of the TSX, keep the boring TL and add a Volvo, i mean do the math ELLPS its in the price range, produces more power, has awd and has been talked about for months-its 2012 not 2002)
#12350 of 16984 Re: 328iX or TSX [kirstie_h]
Oct 24, 2011 (5:38 pm)
why not say this a year ago when it was first mentioned ? I mean its been pretty well know by all the TSX should be moved lower in the class due to the fact that it has less power, is fwd, and has never been mentioned by magazines that we all read as being a player in the group?- the posters of the blog should be heard..
#12351 of 16984 Re: 328iX or TSX [sweendogy]
Oct 24, 2011 (6:48 pm)
... the posters of the blog should be heard.
Personally, I've seen it repeated many times that the TSX belongs in this discussion, yet SOME poster just can't let that lie.....I wonder why? Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the car.
#12352 of 16984 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [sweendogy]
Oct 24, 2011 (7:16 pm)
One word about this constant TSX rant.......boring.
#12353 of 16984 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [m6user]
Oct 25, 2011 (9:08 am)
I will say that there was an Integra at the track, and it kept up with me in my A3 (with some mods too) and I'm a pretty fast student driver.
Of course, I let him pass once, and then he proceeded to spin out and get about 6" deep in the dirt n' gravel on the very next turn as I stayed right behind him, but for a lap or two, he stayed with me.
Didn't Edmund's Inside Line recently show a ten year old RSX ran circles around a 2010 Civic Si.
Haven't seen a TL or TSX at the track yet.
#12354 of 16984 What is the best way to get a Serious
Oct 25, 2011 (9:34 am)
I'm talking a serious test drive where you can really drive the car, probably to the point where most car salesman wouldn't want to go along for the ride?
#12355 of 16984 Re: What is the best way to get a Serious [andres3]
Oct 25, 2011 (9:57 am)
Just tell them that's what you want to do. Explain you need to take it out for probably an hour or more so you can be sure. Doubt a salesman will want to spend an hour riding along with you.
If they do insist on going along, I go ahead and do what I would do as if they weren't there. It is their own damned fault.
#12356 of 16984 Re: What is the best way to get a Serious [andres3]
Oct 25, 2011 (10:29 am)
I have found that LPS and ELLPS car dealer salesreps virtually never go along for the test drive -- assuming the car you show up with at the dealership is already in the same class or that the car is at least fairly new and you don't look like something the cat dragged in.
If you show up at the dealership with your significant other, too, I can bump that up to "the salesrep NEVER goes along for the ride." Now, one thing they do, if you are a stranger to the dealership, is photocopy your driver's license.
On the other hand, if you go into a Ford dealership (not picking on Ford), to drive a new Taurus, they ALWAYS go on the ride with you, ditto with Honda, Mazda and VW, to name a few.
Since it has never happened -- the salesrep ride along -- with this class of car, I usually take a long test drive (about 1 CD's worth) and then almost immediately go onto the next car I am considering and repeat the same test drive (over the same roads, route, etc.) also for about 1 CD (the same CD, natch.)
My wife and I have a routine for testing that permits about three (maybe four) cars to be tested back to back to back (to back) in one day (Saturday or Sunday if possible.) This most recent time we used the video capture feature of an iPhone 4G and she recorded my reactions while I drove and I recorded hers, etc -- as we drove each car over the exact same route, speeds, etc, etc. Afterwards we compared our instantaneous reactions as first I drove an Audi, then a Cadillac then an Acura (ditto her.)
Frankly, and I know many here will argue that I must have been on something, we drove an Audi S4 Premium Plus, a CTS-4 Sport Luxury (with 19" sport package) and an Acura TL SH-AWD Advance back to back to back: we found the S4 and the TL to be twin sons of different mothers they were so close in their capabilities (and the TL was the clear price winner.) The CTS4 was "very nice" but seemed to lack the weapons grade torque the other two seemed to have (and I admit the S4 had more, but the difference was not worth the extra premium price, especially considering the fact that the S4 didn't even have nav.)
Our test drives include: acceleration runs (to 80+MPH), parking lot (empty) "slalom runs" (to test understeer -- be aware this causes motion sickness if you have just eaten), panic braking (with ESP on and off), freeway driving (20+ miles, one way, or so, at least) and secondary road (where there is very low traffic) "performance" driving.
We listen to the radio (AM, FM and Sat) and the CD. We test for bluetooth pairing with a Blackberry (difficult to do for many cars) and we see how intuitive the voice command/prompt systems are, etc.
If you take along some popcorn, you can make a really entertaining day of it -- and come to some rather unanticipated conclusions, too. Take me, for instance -- I thought for certain I would end up with Audi #30 or an Infiniti M37X. Acura wasn't really on my radar. I thought I would end up with a Volvo S60 T6 before I would ever go for a "butt ugly" Acura.
#12357 of 16984 Re: What is the best way to get a Serious [markcincinnati]
Oct 25, 2011 (11:01 am)
The 2012 M is gorgeous. And I somewhat disagree about the salesperson going along for the ride.
Honda, check. Toyota, check. Ford, no. Lexus, no. Acura, never drove it. BMW, didn't have to drive it.
Im now 4 months into my g37 and that vehicle puts a smile on my face. I was going to go for the 335i but the value and sportiness and price point of the g was hard to refuse.
I rented both the g and CTS for a week. The week rental of the g is what swayed my decision. The acura didn't do it for me, even though I'm a fan of Honda. Wasn't interested in Audi or Volvo. Es wasn't sporty enough. G is quick when you get on the gas and rides like its on rails.
#12358 of 16984 Re: What is the best way to get a Serious [qbrozen]
Oct 25, 2011 (11:58 am)
A few years back my partner and I were looking to buy an SUV, we stopped in an Acrua Dealer, talked to the sales guy (no pressure at all) he got a copy of our licenses and handed us the keys a MDX, said, we close at 9pm be back before that (this was at 4pm.) When we came back we talked to the sales guy and bought the MDX (touring with Nav.) It was the best test drive I have ever taken, no pressure whats so ever. We had it for 4 years until we traded it in on a 2009 X5.
Is Acura still doing these kind of test drives?