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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12345 of 16985 Re: I will never own a RWD BMW stick shift but I would drive a TSX. [robbieg]
Oct 24, 2011 (9:40 am)
I'll agree the TSX belongs. If only for it's quality interior appointments and exacting assembly from Japanese artisans. I found it to be "tighter" than the USA built TL a few years back (previous generation models).
I had a 2003 Accord V6 and it's interior was best in class in my opinion, but the TSX clearly goes beyond anything Honda has or had in luxuriousness of the interior. I haven't driven a TSX so I can't speak on that, but I'm very familiar with the way Honda's drive, and would say that Honda/Acura have mastered the art of sporty FWD cars. FWD can be great when engineered correctly for sport and performance.
I currently drive a FWD Audi A3, and can say that Honda/Acura/Audi/VW are in their own league when it comes to sporty FWD performance.
I don't think anyone can touch them on Front Trak/FWD.
If your goal is to be fast, FWD can work. If your goal is to do powerslides and drift, FWD is a problem.
I think in the future I will prefer AWD. Absent the weight penalty, AWD rocks.
#12346 of 16985 Re: 2012 Acura TL SH-AWD Advance: my experience [renssils]
Oct 24, 2011 (9:44 am)
"Today in anticipation of winter, the Goodyears were installed on the TL; the Contis will be stored until next April. I will miss the Contis. I recall that the Goodyear tires were noisy, rough riding, and had low limits of adhesion. I hope that they'll perform well in shallow snow."
Assuming your car came with the same Goodyear Eagle RS-As that mine came with, I wouldn't get your hopes up too much. I bought my car in November of 2008, two days before a light dusting of snow, and the RS-As proved to be as bad in the snow as the Michelin Pilot Primacys which came on my last BMW (with the Sport Package which features summer tires).
Fortunately I'd been forewarned about the RS-As and already had a set of Pilot Sport A/Ss on order, and once they were installed after 714 miles, I sold the (virtually new) Goodyears for something like thirty cents on the dollar (and was happy to get that much for them).
#12347 of 16985 Re: 328iX or TSX [m6user]
Oct 24, 2011 (10:51 am)
"I fail to see the big deal in all of this. All ELLPS are welcome for discussion as the host stated....whether they are listed or not."
I agree, but I think that for internet search purposes it might make a difference. I'm not a web master - just an anal retentive car enthusiast, so what do I know?
#12348 of 16985 I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . .
Oct 24, 2011 (2:29 pm)
. . .but I posted it over on the 2012 Acura TL (only) board, which doesn't have as much gravitas, based on the number of posts, as this board. So, if you get a moment and care to discuss my premise that Acura needs to get its Premium Class (or ELLPS, if you will) game face on, or else, please take a look-see at my thesis and hit me with your best shot.
You can read the, er, offending post (#42) here, if you like:
markcincinnati, "2012 Acura TL" #42, 24 Oct 2011 2:57 pm
#12349 of 16985 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [markcincinnati]
Oct 24, 2011 (5:22 pm)
mark - good post-- something ive been saying for years- the acura line as we know it has not life and needs to be revived. Its been past by both lexus (luxury) and infiniti (sport) and no where near the germans. Where is the NSX, the integra, or the legend.. Cars are recycled from the parent acura line, like oldsmobile used to do with chevy cars.. olds no longer exists -for good reason. Acura needs to get the game back on, i agree, where is the passion for driving.sure they build a nice sedan that will last 10 years but.. sorry boys with the TSX and the TL's-- your cars are fine autos but not sports sedans.. (HOSTS its time for a change to this category, i mean its been 10 years, get rid of the TSX, keep the boring TL and add a Volvo, i mean do the math ELLPS its in the price range, produces more power, has awd and has been talked about for months-its 2012 not 2002)
#12350 of 16985 Re: 328iX or TSX [kirstie_h]
Oct 24, 2011 (5:38 pm)
why not say this a year ago when it was first mentioned ? I mean its been pretty well know by all the TSX should be moved lower in the class due to the fact that it has less power, is fwd, and has never been mentioned by magazines that we all read as being a player in the group?- the posters of the blog should be heard..
#12351 of 16985 Re: 328iX or TSX [sweendogy]
Oct 24, 2011 (6:48 pm)
... the posters of the blog should be heard.
Personally, I've seen it repeated many times that the TSX belongs in this discussion, yet SOME poster just can't let that lie.....I wonder why? Nobody is forcing anybody to buy the car.
#12352 of 16985 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [sweendogy]
Oct 24, 2011 (7:16 pm)
One word about this constant TSX rant.......boring.
#12353 of 16985 Re: I posted something I wanted to share with y'all. . . [m6user]
Oct 25, 2011 (9:08 am)
I will say that there was an Integra at the track, and it kept up with me in my A3 (with some mods too) and I'm a pretty fast student driver.
Of course, I let him pass once, and then he proceeded to spin out and get about 6" deep in the dirt n' gravel on the very next turn as I stayed right behind him, but for a lap or two, he stayed with me.
Didn't Edmund's Inside Line recently show a ten year old RSX ran circles around a 2010 Civic Si.
Haven't seen a TL or TSX at the track yet.
#12354 of 16985 What is the best way to get a Serious
Oct 25, 2011 (9:34 am)
I'm talking a serious test drive where you can really drive the car, probably to the point where most car salesman wouldn't want to go along for the ride?