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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
Oct 21, 2011 (6:23 am)
This thread is more than a tad interesting since I, for one and apparently MORE than one, seem to find some surprise that the TSX and a 3 series BMW (even though it is the "bad" one) merit cross-shopping.
The TL SH-AWD seems like the obvious choice to cross shop an AWD BMW 3 series with, assuming one must cross shop an Acura and a BMW.
But, of the choices offered up in this thread, I would find the Audi 2.0T quattro with the pre-paid maintenance (or perhaps the Volvo S60 T6) to be even more of an apples-to-apples comparison worthy of cross-shopping. Then I look at my recent purchase of a TL, after 29 Audis in a row, and knowing what I cross shopped, well maybe I see the rationale of shopping for both a BMW 3 X-drive and a TL SH-AWD (but never a TSX.)
Having had three AWD BMW's since 1988 (in addition to the 29 Audi's), there is no comparison between the BMW and the TSX in terms of the "feel-behind-the-wheel" -- and, moreover, in winter, four driven wheels are much better than two, even if those two are the fronts.
Although not comparable to the BMW in terms of the "ultimate driving experience" the TL SH-AWD does a better imitation of an Audi A4 2.0T quattro Prestige than any other Japanese car I test drove. In fact the TL SH-AWD Advance (which adds 19" wheels and tires) actually felt pretty competent compared with an 2011 Audi S4 Premium+.
Given the two choices you offered up for us to weigh in on, the TSX is only comparable to the BMW in that they both have four wheels -- the BMW is THAT much better.
#12313 of 16982 Re: BMW vs. Acura TSX 
Oct 21, 2011 (8:10 am)
Please point me in the direction for proof of your comment about the tranny problems on the TL and MDX's. I have never owned a TL or MDX, but have friends who have/had and not one had a transmission problem.
#12314 of 16982 Re: BMW vs. Acura TSX [flightnurse]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Oct 21, 2011 (8:20 am)
If you look to the right, you'll see a keyword search box for the forums.
Try "acura transmission."
The first two discussions that are listed (in order of most recent activity) are those for the MDX and the TL.
#12315 of 16982 Re: BMW vs. Acura TSX [flightnurse]
Oct 21, 2011 (8:22 am)
Obviously this poster has been out of the loop for quiet some years now.
The tranny problems he is talking about were on the 2001-2003 TL's.
I had to replace mine twice on my 2003 TL Type S.
#12316 of 16982 Re: So few cross-shoppers. [markcincinnati]
Oct 21, 2011 (9:39 am)
People purchase cars for different reasons and just because they want a somewhat sporty sedan they may not NEED or even want the greatest "feel behind the wheel". They may be shopping price and size as the most important factors on their heiracrchy of needs. The TSX is a lot more similar in size/weight to the 3 than the TL is. They may want good winter traction but not neccesarily the best. While front wheel drive isn't quite as good as all wheel drive is pretty adequate especially if you use snow tires in the winter. Stepping up to the TL SH-AWD is also quite a jump in price from the TX. About 10K or so and about 3K more than the 3ix. The TL SH-AWD is also about 500 lbs heavier than the TSX. The TL is 16" longer than the BMW....that is a lot. While it may not drive that much heavier it is still a much larger car and many people just don't want that much metal to manuever around.
I like the G37 but would get it in "X" form because of winter traction. If I bought a TL, the front wheel drive would be adequate without having to jump up in price. Don't really care about the extra HP or being able to take hairpins at speed. Your car buying criteria may be different than others looking at the same class of auto....nothing wrong with that. So it is not wrong to cross shop the TSX with the BMW 3, it is completely right for many people.
By the way, I enjoyed your suggestions for improvement over on the 2012 TL thread. Very in depth on the pros and cons.
#12317 of 16982 Re: So few cross-shoppers. [m6user]
Oct 21, 2011 (10:27 am)
Thanks for the compliment -- it is just that Acura seems SOOOO CLOSE to producing really interesting cars, close but not quite there yet. Acura is now, in my "often wrong, never uncertain" opinion, where Volvo was a very few years ago. Then the S60 comes along and Acura slips to where Volvo used to be -- no interesting cars, just very good ones that are probably about as reliable and durable as humans know how to build (at these prices.)
I could not advise anyone to choose the TSX over the 3 X-drive, the differences are not subtle.
But again, I come from the viewpoint: often wrong, but NEVER uncertain.
Drive it like YOU live, not like I live!!!
#12318 of 16982 Re: So few cross-shoppers. [markcincinnati]
Oct 21, 2011 (11:25 am)
Of course there are those few of us wackos that, in spite of living in an area which features hilly terrain and which can receive over ten feet of snow in any given winter, we still prefer RWD as opposed to any other drive configuration. I of course fall in that category.
#12319 of 16982 Re: So few cross-shoppers. [shipo]
Oct 21, 2011 (11:27 am)
Yes, shipo, you too, like me, are a wacko!
#12320 of 16982 Re: 328iX or TSX [me0000]
Oct 21, 2011 (12:57 pm)
Equipped like for like, the 328i xDrive is going to come in close to a TL SH AWD. Between those two, I'd take the TL.
Now, if you're moving up the ladder into a 335i xDrive, that's a different story.
#12321 of 16982 Re: 328iX or TSX [graphicguy]
Oct 21, 2011 (7:42 pm)
I'm glad we all agree the tsx should be moved from this thread once and for all. It's a 4cy fwd and bloated. The dynamics of this category have changed, sure you see a couple of guys taking the tsx on the track to play around vs civic sis and scions. Leather and a sunroof should not count as luxury and sport.