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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12259 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [graphicguy]
Oct 10, 2011 (2:02 pm)
You may want to check out this company in Northern Ca, called Vishnu. They have made a name for themselves with the Subaru WRX but when BMW came with twin turbo engine they knew the potential how does 11.502 125.893 for the 1/4 mile... Their upgrades are very reasonable for 40-60 RWH the cost is about $2000. This is what their website says:
Power gains will vary based upon available octane, additional modifications and conditions. Typical gains on an otherwise stock n54 powered BMW running on 91-93 octane fuel are 70-80 wheel horsepower and 80-90ft-lbs of torque. With additional basic modifications (exhaust, intercooler and intake upgrades) and higher octane racing fuel, gains of 160-170 wheel horsepower and 200-210ft-lbs of torque can be expected. With upgraded turbos, gains as high as 250whp are possible.
Oct 10, 2011 (4:12 pm)
They must have really upgraded the mpg. I got a combined 19 mpg in my 2010 AWD TL.
Great comment about how it leaves you happy but not thrilled. It's why I'm in a 335i now.
Definitely the best stereo ever.
#12262 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [sweendogy]
by kyfdx@Edmunds HOST
Oct 10, 2011 (5:09 pm)
Well.. prepaid scheduled maintenance plan for a C-Class or an A4 is around $800.. (but for just three years, not four), so that's one place to start... Mercedes says that's about a 30% discount from actual.. If that's the case, then you could extrapolate that to about $1500 for four years (to match BMW).
Also, most of the other plans don't cover brakes, if needed... so, another thing to factor in.. (in BMW's favor)..
#12263 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [kyfdx]
Oct 10, 2011 (7:06 pm)
Regarding maintenance - My TSX has just over 41K miles on it & I've had to take it in for 5 full synthetic oil changes + tire rotations around $100. The rear brakes had to be changed (I was partially reimbursed through a class action lawsuit). I had to have the front rotors resurfaced once already. That's all I can think of off the top of my head.
Mark - your TL SH AWD Advance shows a big benefit to leasing. The lease payment on your almost $50,000 TL Advanced is less than the payment on my Close to $34K TSX. YMMV - literally
#12264 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [flightnurse]
Oct 11, 2011 (7:32 am)
I know there are "tuner" companies out there that have installs to increase HP and/or torque.
Fact is, I don't track my car. The other "tuner" upgrades are interesting to read about, however.
The HP gains from BMW's "upgrade" really isn't noticeable. The torque upgrade is noticeable, however. And, I thought that $600 was a reasonable price for the upgrade...especially one developed and warranted by BMW.
For all intents and purposes, my 335i just became a 335is.
Plus, I think that BMW has under rated both the N55 power numbers that they publish officially. I've read they did the same on the N54 engine, too.
#12265 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [graphicguy]
Oct 11, 2011 (7:44 am)
"For all intents and purposes, my 335i just became a 335is."
'Performance Retrofit Stage 1 Kit Part # 11-12-2-219-488
For N55 engine
Horsepower increase from 300 to 320
Torque increase from 300 to 317 ft-lbs for a manual trans
Torque increase from 300 to 332 ft.-lbs for automatic trans'
This may sound like 'splitting hairs', but to me
[ for my intents and purposes ]
the 332 TQ for the BMW 'Stage 1 Kit' is not the same
as the 370 TQ [ in overboost ] of the 335iS.
It is as close as one can get, if you want \ need a 4DR 335i,
and you want something with a BMW wty,
and \ or you already purchased.
Then there is the DCT vs Steptronic,
if you do not want \ have the 6MT.
Just my 0.02 gallons worth . . .
But I digress.
Ship carrying my 335iS due to depart Bremmerhaven
#12266 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [sweendogy]
Oct 11, 2011 (7:57 am)
As someone who drives his car on the hard side, I have had to have my brakes , clutch replaced by BWM and the cost for them was well over $3K, then add in the services I came out ahead. I also like knowing that I can make a reservation, pull up into the service bay, have my service manager scan the VIN, walk to his office, have me sign the work order be handed keys to a loaner and drive off (all under 30 minutes)
On my 05, I wasn't going to get the extended warranty but at the last minute jumped and did it. Glad I did, at 60K the water pump died, plus the 60K service was done.
#12267 of 16982 Re: Graphicguy [graphicguy]
Oct 11, 2011 (7:59 am)
For roughly $1500 (which is far less then the price difference between a 335i and 335is) you can have your BMW make 350hp and 375lbs of torque be faster then a 335is and still get great mileage.
#12268 of 16982 $1,500 - yes, but Re: Graphicguy [flightnurse]
Oct 11, 2011 (8:53 am)
'For roughly $1500 (which is far less then the price difference between a 335i and 335is) you can have your BMW make 350hp and 375lbs of torque be faster then a 335is and still get great mileage.'
Regarding price of the 335iS vs 335i –
Equipped the same [ 335iS includes ‘M Sport’ pkg]:
W/manual trans. diff = $3,900
W/auto trans. diff = $4,100
For which one receives:
Plus 20 HP and plus 70 TQ [ burst of 7 seconds ]
– and associated, upgraded cooling equipment – fully backed by BMW’s 4 year 50,000 mile warrantee. That aspect specifically is worth a lot, to me.
[ This is close to the Dinan Stage 1 ‘tune’ MSRP = $1,700 ]
[ Note: the price of a Dinan upgraded oil cooler for a 335i with an OEM oil cooler is $1,499.00 ]
An exhaust system that sounds just wonderful – to me – not too quiet, not too loud. Would be over $1,500 + install $$s –
The BMW system list price is $1,691.18 + install.
The Dinan performance exhaust system is $1,899 + install – plus what do I do with the OEM system?
So [ for me ] the $4,100 difference is offset by
the following items that would need to be added
to a 335i to roughly equal a 335iS:
$1,700 for Dinan Stage 1
$1,500 for upgraded oil cooler [ plus install $$s ]
$1,700 for exhaust [ plus install $$s ]
So. Total difference in costs for the upgrades from a 335i to 335iS = $4,900 + install[s]
Available for the [ relative ] bargain upcharge of $4,100 w/DCT.
[ When I ordered. ]
OK with me. . .
Other ‘tuner’ comparisons I believe to be unfair –
due to the very real [ potential ] warrantee coverage issues. . .