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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12220 of 16984 Re: With Interest [billyperksii]
Oct 04, 2011 (7:31 am)
No, it takes one day to install the back-up sensors. I live in Cincinnati, the purchasing dealer (where I also purchased the sensors from, and incorporated them into the lease now that they can be capitalized) is in Columbus.
100 miles separate these cities.
I travel EVERY Saturday to Columbus. The arrangement was this -- drop off the car, pick up the loaner, then pick up the car the following Saturday. This, for better or worse, gives me the use of the TSX for about a week.
I am able to note the Acura upgrades to what is essentially a Honda of some kind (people here say it is an Accord). The fit and finish and the interior are certainly somewhat upgraded over what you would get in a Honda.
But, despite these upgrades and the requirements for premium fuel, the TSX doesn't, to me, represent an entry into the ELLPS crowd. But, as I said, live and let live, keep it in and we'll see what happens.
I would think that the TSX would be "naturally" cross-shopped with an Audi A3 -- for instance.
But, as I said, I cross shopped a 2012 TL SH-AWD Advance with an Audi A4 2.0T Prestige Tiptronic and, for fun, I drove a Premium Plus S4, more or less stripped of the lux bits and w/o the Sport Differential (Torque Vectoring). Also, I shopped the Acura against a CTS/4 Luxury Edition w/19" wheels and paddle shifters as well as against a Volvo S60 T6 and against an Infiniti G37X/S and an M37X Premium+Tech. Having just come from a 2008 BMW (my wife's), I did not look at a 3 series, my German preferences satisfied with the A4 and/or S4.
To me, these cross shopping adventures seem MOSTLY rational (the M37X is an outlier) -- I would not have considered a TSX anymore than I would have considered an A3, for instance.
I drove my 2009 A4 Prestige with the 19" sport package to work, yesterday -- today I drove the TSX in. I would say the differences were like Filet Mignon vs Laura's Lean hamburger patties. I like both of them, but prefer the filet, by far.
I did test drive both of the Audis and the Acura on the same Saturday in June -- I also test-drove the CTS I mentioned. The Acura was, best I can describe, like an Audi AS4 quattro if such a model actually existed.
Anyway, sorry to digress -- again -- but the back-up sensors are not taking this long, the issue is where I live vs where I bought. Once the sensors are in, I will either use a Cincinnati Acura dealer for service or I will take advantage of Lindsay Acura's Saturday service for things like oil changes and tire rotation, etc.
#12221 of 16984 why not ? [markcincinnati]
Oct 04, 2011 (9:38 am)
'Why will you not be returning, pray tell? '
The short answer is:
Other priorities ....
Very glad I did this - now.
#12222 of 16984 Re: With Interest [markcincinnati]
Oct 04, 2011 (9:41 am)
Back in 09 I crossed shopped the following-
GS350 (wanted this one badly)- disliked- 17' wheels, Dealer installed XM
E350- disliked- price, Long term cost of ownership
G35X-cramped interior(reminds me of my 99 millennia) intrusive growl
RL- Nothing to dislike, could not see a difference getting this over the TL-wood accents probably
A6 3.2- went to the dealership but they were on cloud nine.
I think I did two more, I cannot recall now.
#12223 of 16984 Re: With Interest [billyperksii]
Oct 04, 2011 (4:22 pm)
Looks like a group of mass produced v6s to me.
#12224 of 16984 Re: With Interest [sweendogy]
Oct 04, 2011 (4:53 pm)
Looks like a group of mass produced v6s to me.
Are hand-made V6's better?
#12225 of 16984 Re: With Interest [tlong]
Oct 04, 2011 (6:12 pm)
Wouldn't know out of my price range but if it was I would get a RR ghost or phantom.
Oct 06, 2011 (10:25 am)
About the slaughtering my TSX has taken lately. I'm going to somewhat agree with Sweendogy and say that my TSX is a "Sporty Sedan" instead of an all out "Sports Sedan."
Considering some of the cars its being considered to by some posters here (no disrespect to anybody in particular), might not be entirely fair. A fully loaded up almost $50,000 A4 with Quattro, Sports Suspension, and Torque Vectoring Rear Differential. I would hope the Audi drives a whole helluva lot better. Same thing with a TL-SH AWD.
The TSX V6 is too nose heavy to compete with anything in the class and you'd have to really hate the base TL to buy a TSX V6 with a similar MSRP (even though the V6 TSX is loaded with incentives most of the time).
Where does the TSX go from here? You can't give it more power because it will torque steer like crazy. You can't give it Acura's SH-AWD because that will add weight and price.
The TSX is a great car. I own one and love it. It has a taut suspension, adequate acceleration, fantastically supportive seats. It it fun to drive, gets good gas mileage...
I'm happy with the decision I made to buy it. I've got over 41,000 miles on it after only 25 months. In a little less than 3 years it will be paid off and I'll hopefully be able to drive it relatively trouble free for well past the 100,000 mile mark.
If there was never a cash for clunkers program, we drove our leased X3 for the entire 3 years and it had 60K miles instead of 45K for 3 years, would I have even set foot into an Acura dealership? Probably not. If something happened to my TSX today, would I get another one? I'm not so sure.
#12227 of 16984 Re: Been Thinking [nyccarguy]
Oct 06, 2011 (12:37 pm)
nyc.....in that mid $30s price range, I think the TSX is "right there" with the likes of an A4 or 328i (both discounted).
I've taken a couple of stabs at liking Infinitis. None of them ever made it to the top of my "want it" list. I think they lack the refinement I got used to with Acuras, BMWs ,etc.
The TSX should at least be given a look in the sport(y) sedan category based on the value equation.
#12228 of 16984 Re: Been Thinking [nyccarguy]
Oct 06, 2011 (2:29 pm)
To get an Audi in the A4 body style WITH torque vectoring (aka Sport Differential), one would need to move up the ladder to the S4 -- and, typically, the one with the Sport Differential and Audi Drive Select, etc, etc, etc, will be closer to $60,000.
I was very pleased to get an all tarted up TL Advance SH-AWD with accessories for under $48K -- and although it still isn't an S4, it presents itself very well in the class of cars we go on about here as well as being able to perform with near S4 capabilities.
I'm still in my loaner TSX -- and wondering why Acura doesn't offer the thing with SH-AWD; seems it would be a killer car based on what -- a $2,000+ bump for the AWD?
#12229 of 16984 Re: Been Thinking [markcincinnati]
Oct 06, 2011 (4:06 pm)
I think be because the TL is the bread & butter of the Acura lineup. Acura probably doesn't want the "lesser" TSX to steal sales from the TL. The TSX is Acura's entry level car (that actually has more trunk space than the TL). They want you to buy (or lease) a TSX, then trade up to a base TL a few years later, then to a TL SH AWD not too long after that, & be so happy with the cars/brand that you buy (or lease) an MDX for your wife every few years.
A V6 TSX Tech Stickers for high $30's. Add SH-AWD to that and you've got a close to $40K TSX. Maybe come trade up time you say "I like my TSX SH-AWD, but don't think the TL SH AWD warrants the price jump.". Maybe you go look at Infiniti or BMW or MB...
I'm not comparing the cars, but kinda like the reason Porsche messes with the Cayman's gearing and won't give it too big a motor to protect the 911.