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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#12011 of 16984 swap out of a G into a 335??
Sep 10, 2011 (5:41 pm)
its been a while since my last post- i have a 07g35x and i love it but have always wanted an awd sedan with a stick shift (g awd is auto only) and at the time when i bot it (in 2007) i could not justify buying the BMW 335xi for a cool 12grand more. The G had more HP, great styling and great driver set up with the nav and premium packages... well lets fast forward - my G has only 28000 miles on it and I still have the craving to drive stick again.. problem being is buying a CPO 335 (2009 or newer) with 6 speed sedan with AWD and the sport package.. PROBLEMS: Cant find them, when you do they have more miles then my current car (even 2010s), and most of all pricing the 2009 are going for 36k or more.
#12012 of 16984 Re: swap out of a G into a 335?? [sweendogy]
Sep 11, 2011 (7:10 am)
Well this tells you that people who own the BMW you are looking for drives them, is that a bad thing, NO. You can't compare apples and oranges here. You will have to be happy with what ever car you get, if you aren't happy with a BMW of your liking with more miles then your current car, then stop looking for a used car. Get a new one or just wait it out and see if you found one with less miles.
The CPO BMW is an excellent deal 6yr or 100K with free maintence can't beat it.
If Infiniti really wanted to go after BMW they would copy BMW play book, which is offer your entry level G with a sport package and 6 spd manuel...
#12013 of 16984 Re: BMW free maintenance [wireless]
Sep 11, 2011 (7:14 am)
When it comes to resale value leather is the way to go, durability leatherette is the way to go. I like leather even living here in Phoenix.
#12014 of 16984 Re: In the market... [nyccarguy]
Sep 11, 2011 (7:17 am)
I never believe what the salesman tell me, I have a feeling the GM ordered but no takers, here in Phoenix, 328's don't sell unless it has an auto. The dealer had 57 328s and 4 had sticks, one (mine) had the M package, the others were basic 328s with the value package and that is it. Priced at 35K
#12016 of 16984 Re: 2011 Acura TL SH-AWD 6MT is a mouthful, not a handful [healer]
Sep 11, 2011 (8:54 am)
Dude, you're a spammer, and a bad one at that. Take a hike!
#12017 of 16984 Re: In the market... [flightnurse]
Sep 11, 2011 (5:19 pm)
I've recently driven each of the cars that are considered in this category and I can't yet make a decision. Since this is my first foray into luxury I really didn't want to find myself regretting my choice in cars. I set out to look at the TSX, IS250, 328i, A4, & G37. After reading some things I added the C300 to the list, which you'll hear about. I am looking for people's input into my decision as I'm still unsure and I'd like to hear how you've liked the brand you chose and its cost to own. I'm scared about ending up with an endless pit of cash to maintain a car. And I'd rather not "feel the road" which sounds redundant owning a small car but if I can feel every bump then I may as well buy another corolla and deal with the potholes in Jersey.
I was most hopeful going in about the IS from Lexus but found the car to be an exact duplicate of my current corolla from 2005. I hit my head on the roof while driving (I'm only 6ft tall) and i'm a big guy but the cabin felt cramped. Every time I talked to the salesman he acted like I was making a mistake not buying a bigger car. Do no salesman just listen to what you're saying about preference? That car is now off the list and will remain there.
I drove the G37 and thought it was a very nice car. It felt "classy" inside and, I guess sterile is the word that comes to mind. I actually liked it and liked that it was a bit bigger in the backseat than most in this group. I hate the idea that driving a small car means you can't drive more than 2 adults around. It was about $35 fully loaded with the backup camera and nav and awd, which is cheaper than the competitors. I didn't like the salesman (and his pushiness) but that won't totally sway my decision. I think it drove ok although not as well as the Audi, BMW or the MB. Additionally my mechanic loves these cars and says they are the most reliable. I'm a bit unsure still though because I don't want Nissan parts in my luxury car. Its still on the list. If I can't justify the extra $5k or so then I'll end up in G37 if I had to guess.
#12018 of 16984 Re: In the market... [jerseyguy77]
Sep 11, 2011 (5:35 pm)
I next drove the TSX. I thought the TSX felt like an Accord. I'm not sure if there is a significant difference in the parts between them but it didn't feel very "luxury". I liked that most of everything was included as it didn't feel like you were getting ripped off for everything. I liked that it had a back=up camera (the only real option) with the nav system. And I definitely liked that the car cost less than its competitors. I just don't think I'm going to be able to get off of the lack of feel. Unless it becomes a numbers play in which case this will definitely be in the discussion as it is significantly less expensive.
I drove the A4 next and really liked the experience. I take some confidence in the fact that they have been doing AWD longer than anyone else. I also like they seem to think about what you'd like to be able to see which you're driving without having to jump through hoops. I thought their Nav was more intuitive than the others I saw. The ride was also smooth and fluid but I didn't really get to open it up due to the traffic and the flooding around me. I am probably going to retry the test drive at another dealership to get a different experience. My concerns were that I have no idea whether you can negotiate a price on these (it was listed as $42ish for the model I'd want), the back seat looked really small and I was surprised at how wide the car was. For the "small" car of the group they seem to be wide. I don't want to end up driving my wife's Altima (which looks puffy) instead of a small luxury car....I definitely would put them at the top of my choice so far though, unfortunately if it was that clear cut I wouldn't be asking for input from you fine folks.
#12019 of 16984 Re: In the market... [jerseyguy77]
Sep 11, 2011 (6:22 pm)
I drove the 328i next which was always at the top of my list. I figure it can't be on the top of this segment every year for no reason right? I'll start by saying I wasn't happy that it gets worse gas mileage than the others I'd tried up to this point. What I mean by that is to get the same gas mileage i have to avoid the AWD which is supposed to make the BMW great. I figured that they would try to make that equal. I also was a little taken aback by the pompousness of the salespeople who I dealt with. They were basically like, the other people's cars could never do this, and they proceeded to drive around a racetrack they had built to show the car's handling. I'm pretty sure that the A4 and MB (just to start) could do that type of driving if I wanted it to...I mean they're both cut from a similar cloth. Otherwise I did like the car. I thought the navigation system looked like it wasn't made to be in the car. It did feel much more like a sports car than the others I had driven. Since I drove it on a "test track" I will be going to a different dealer so that I can drive it on a road with potholes and other bumps to see how it feels. The car has significantly more options and colors than the others in this category which I appreciate because i don't want a white/red/grey/black car. I want a nice color blue and unfortunately the other dealers have never seemed to want to make more than standard dark blue. Its kind of ridiculous. Also assuming that all else is equal I do think the "extended warranty" offered by BMW is huge. I would love to not have to pay $50+ for every oil change. Even if i am paying that a bit upfront...
The last car I drove, which I may drive again, is the C300. I didn't have this on my list at all as I had heard terrible things about MB over the last few years in regards to reliability and design. I wanted to try the car however as most who I know who've tried it mentioned that it was much better at "hiding" the bumps in the road which is a big deal in North jersey. As I mentioned in my first post if I wanted to feel every bump in the road I would just buy another Toyota. In the smaller car segment you feel everything in most cars (which I hate) even though I will only drive a small car. I thought the car was very nice. As nice as the Audi in my experience and I thought there was a very "expensive" feel to the drive. I didn't significantly notice the "cloud" feeling while driving but i think that had to do with expectations versus results. They are adding a blue color in 12 that I want to see because that may put this ahead. Again though the cost may be prohibitive....we'll see.
I'd really love anyone's input into what decisions you made and why on these models. I will probably be making a decision over the next month or so.
#12020 of 16984 Re: In the market... [jerseyguy77]
Sep 11, 2011 (8:51 pm)
I've driven all the cars you are considering except the MB. All are nice cars but I would rate them G37 and BMW 328 (a tie for first) and then the A4.
The Infinitis seem to be the most reliable. All 3 handle well. I don't like the BMWs interior since it seems dated. The Audi and G have a cleaner looking interior. I don't care for the run flat tires on the BMW but some like them. The deals are better on the Infinitis now unless you currently own a BMW or Audi and qualify for a loyalty incentive. Love the size and exteriors of all 3.
I own 2 G35s now and the back seats do not fold down which is a negative. The BMW does not fold down unless you pay for a $400 option for the folding seat.
That is why I am probably buying an Infiniti EX 35 AWD. The EX is actually 5 inches shorter than a G37 so some describe it as a combination of a crossover and a coupe. It has the reliablity, performance, handling, good looks, and the ability to haul a bit, albeit a small amount but way more than the G37. The ability to fold down the seats in the EX is huge with me.
Some reviewers felt that the EX had a smoother ride than the G37.
There is also a $2,000 incentive on the EX so it may be the least expensive of the bunch.
When you test drive the right car you will hopefully know it as I did. The EX just felt the best although it may not be considered a sedan by some but an argument can be made that it is.
Actually my favorite handling car was the BMW 328xi sport wagon (E91) but the interior was very unattractive and really dated. This clearly is not a sedan though but I liked the storage, utility, smallish size and again handling.
Good luck with your search.