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Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans

16087 messages,  Last post on May 09, 2013 at 9:32 AM

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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan

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#11993 of 16087 BMW free maintenance by nyccarguy

Sep 01, 2011 (6:03 pm)

There has been some discussion about the value of the scheduled maintenance. While it is built into the price of the car and we all know it isn't free, it is worth something.
 
My 2010 TSX is 2 years old and has almost 40,000 miles. While I don't have all the paperwork in front of me, here's what I've done from memory:
 
Synthetic Oil changes at 5K, 10K, 20K, 30K, & (almost) 40K $70 a piece at the dealership.
Tire Rotations at the same intervals $30 a piece
 
I had to have the rear brake pads replaced & the front rotors resurfaced & cut.
 
I just had the air filter & cabin filter changed $149.

#11994 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [nyccarguy] by plekto

Sep 02, 2011 (5:25 am)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 01, 2011 6:03 pm)
Well, this is kind of to be expected since it is the new Accord, after all.
 
Yes, there is no TSX in Japan. It's sold as the Accord over there. They ship the same car over here and slap an Acura badge on it and add a lot of markup.
 
What we get as the "Accord" over here is actually an in-between model that they've never sold in the U.S. before. It's called the Inspire in Japan.
 
It's also why the TSX simply doesn't belong in this discussion, as well. It's kind of like how Cadillac tried to push the Catera as a luxury car years ago when it really was a compact commuter box with some bling and badges added.

#11995 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [plekto] by ivan_99

Sep 02, 2011 (7:10 am)

Replying to: plekto (Sep 02, 2011 5:25 am)
Agree with everything you've said. I think we can create an entire thread to this one discussion "What is an Entry Level Performance Sedan".
 
For those of us that like to argue in circles...
 
We could easily argue why Kia and VW should be 'ahead' of many of these.
 
Of course this always touches on raw emotions...your car is not good enough...it's a chick car...which borders on 'mother' comments

#11996 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [plekto] by nyccarguy

Sep 02, 2011 (11:52 am)

Replying to: plekto (Sep 02, 2011 5:25 am)
I actually drove a loaded V6 Accord back to back with the "same car over here with an Acura badge on it."
 
Their price tags were remarkably similar. I know underneath my TSX sits on the Accord platform and is sold in Europe as an Accord.
 
Besides the V6 Accord's extra "punch," I prefered everything about the TSX. The suspension tuning is sportier on the TSX. My TSX has thicker anti-roll bars. The seats are comfortable and very thickly bolstered. It drives like a 4 door version of my 2001 Honda Prelude Type SH. For a FWD platform, they did a damn good job. Is it a 3 series? No? Did I like it better than the A4 2.0T w/ Quattro I drove? Yes. Does it belong in this discussion? Absolutely.

#11997 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [nyccarguy] by billyperksii

Sep 02, 2011 (12:53 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Sep 02, 2011 11:52 am)
I love Acuras/Hondas but the TSX is not Entry Level Luxury, it sits between everyday family sedan (accords, camrys) and the entry level luxury (TL, A4 3series)- not quite there yet.

#11998 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [billyperksii] by m6user

Sep 02, 2011 (2:48 pm)

Replying to: billyperksii (Sep 02, 2011 12:53 pm)
You could say the same thing about the 3 series. Leather is optional on the 3 as well as many things that are standard on the TSX. Acura is a luxury brand. TSX is the entry level car at Acura. What part of "entry level" is so hard to understand. The TSX fits the definition perfectly. The G25 is the entry level at Infinti and the A4 at Audi. HP is about the same as as well and without turbocharging. The Skyline is a family sedan in Japan but the same car here is a luxury sport sedan, G37. I don't think anyone argues that the G series is not an entry level luxury sedan.

#11999 of 16087 Re: In the market... [flightnurse] by wireless

Sep 03, 2011 (6:58 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (Sep 01, 2011 3:56 pm)
Price-wise the 328 you bought and the c350 are comparable. If you can't drive a 2011 off the lot for under $40k right now you need to go to another dealer. But yeah, some MB dealers don't deal much. They just don't need to. But the engine while nice wasn't what sold me. It's for my wife so it is not much about the engine.

We like everything else. I sort of understand the Bimmer, it's kind of glued to the ground but it just felt heavier where the MB felt spry, light on it's feet, but very direct-able and responsive. The Bimmer didn't fell any faster and I drove it fast on traffic circles, etc.

The BMW interior was just not good at all. The dash alone took it right off our list. What are they thinking with respect to competition? So dated. I will give the A4 this - its interior was better than the BMW's but the driving feel and interior did not flow.

I recall the Audi's interiors easily being industry leading from the early 90s until the early 2000s. Don't know what happened but the interior now reminds me of mid-90s VW which was pretty nice but Audi's are not what they used to be. There's no art to them.

BTW, the sport package on the MB includes a lowered suspension and a stiffer suspension. Not much else except as you note styling. But the styling is youthful. Nearly all the sell are the sport version. The salesman said they don't even order the C in the luxury version. Same with the E-class.

 
Glad to hear your happy with your Bimmer. They're are many BMWs in my neighborhood, lot of men and women have them. Only a couple of MBs. I think the crowd in their 30s like the image BMW portrays. Certainly more younger that MB. Styling is good on many models. No problem with that. I like German car handling and design intent. I say buy whatever turns your crank!

#12000 of 16087 MB vs. Bimmer by shabadoo25

Sep 04, 2011 (6:43 pm)

Sounds like you and your wife are more impressed with bells and whistles than the driving experience. Nothing wrong with that, but the new Kia Optima blows the luxury class away with cabin toys.
 
BMWs appeal to a sportier driving populace that cares less about handbag hooks than they do about performance on a twisty road.

#12001 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [m6user] by smarty666

Sep 05, 2011 (6:49 am)

Replying to: m6user (Sep 02, 2011 2:48 pm)
Agreed, cars like the TSX, G25, etc all belong in this discussion because they are entry level luxury sedans. They have four doors, and come from luxury divisions and hence why the auto industry classifies them as such. Just because someone else doesn't think so does not make it so. Let them keep telling themselves that.

#12002 of 16087 Re: BMW free maintenance [smarty666] by ivan_99

Sep 05, 2011 (8:35 pm)

Replying to: smarty666 (Sep 05, 2011 6:49 am)
I suppose that makes some sense.
 
It's a grey area with me.
 
When I see "Entry level Luxury Performance Sedan" I don't automatically think of the lowest model that a manufacturer offers.
 
So I'd say No to the TSX, IS250, G25, etc...the TL would be the representative for Acura's 'entry level', the IS350 would represent Lexus, G37 etc...
 
I don't recall...is there a price cap? Otherwise would the Panamera be the 'entry level'...

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