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#11972 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by 2233

Aug 27, 2011 (1:01 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 12:19 pm)
I may have mistakenly thought you were advocating run flats.
 
Another poster implied that German car companies other than BMW use run flats often. In fact, few other than BMW use only run flats. Porsche had them years ago on the 959.
   
This site has arguments both ways for the run flats but the majority of these owners are against the use of them http://news.consumerreports.org/cars/2007/06/run-flat-tires-.html
 
I considered taking the run flats off a new X3 if I purchased one but there is no convenient place for the spare except taking up space in the smallish space behind the rear seat.
 
They are loud, do not handle as well in the opinion of many, cost almost double, do not last as long and if is difficult to find them in stock.
 
Car makers should make the run flats optional.
 
I like the G37 of all the fine cars mentioned here. It's probably the least expensive, has the great VQ engine, is good looking, handles well, is reliable, and is rear wheel drive (or all wheel drive). The ride of the TL is a different type of ride which I do not like. I've owned several Acuras but will never even consider these again due to their ongoing transmission issues.
 
My second choice would be a current 3 series but I would ditch the run flats as soon as they wear out.....probably around 15,000. I'd replace them with Michelins. The donut spare could fit in the trunk.

#11973 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by 2233

Aug 27, 2011 (1:18 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 9:41 am)
Your Porsche "analogy" is weak and poorly researched.
 
None of the current Porsches come with run flat tires.
 
I wonder why this German company stopped using them?

#11974 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by carnaught

Aug 27, 2011 (2:37 pm)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 27, 2011 1:01 pm)
My run-flats were still going strong when I traded the car in with 36,000+ mi. on them. Although I would have preferred go-flats instead, I was appreciative of having them when I got a flat and could drive to a Discount Tire to have it repaired. Yes, I know they are not always reparable.

#11975 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by fedlawman

Aug 27, 2011 (2:45 pm)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 27, 2011 1:18 pm)
Sorry, it's not that my research was poor, it's that you aren't following my logic. Here, I'll spell it out...
 
Rejecting a BMW because you don't like the tires is akin to rejecting a Porsche because the windows aren't tinted dark enough.
 
And while it's true Porsche's don't have run-flats, it's also true that 911's (and Boxsters & Caymans) don't come with a spare tire. Off topic, but I thought you should know that there are 100's of thousands of drivers buying cars in North America without a spare tire (no, not just Porsche's - Chevy does it too).

#11976 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by nyccarguy

Aug 27, 2011 (5:33 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 12:20 pm)
Fedlawman - don't know if ya heard, but the TSX is now my daily driver. I inherited it from my wife who is now pregnant with #3, who will be daughter #1. I bought her a Pilot, I drive the TSX to work 5 days a week & the Prelude 1 day a week.
 
Lateral? Ya think? 326 hp in my dd would be nice, but I have trouble keeping my two 200 horsepower 4cyl cars under 90;)

#11977 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [nyccarguy] by fedlawman

Aug 27, 2011 (6:35 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (Aug 27, 2011 5:33 pm)
#3! Wow, you've been busy! Cold winter?
 
Well, of course it's not lateral in terms of HP, but in terms of refinement, balance, and poise, it certainly is (arguably a step down).
 
Of course, HP was never my first priority anyways - I mean, I do drive a 4-cylinder too...
 
On the other hand, the TSX and Prelude are kissing cousins. Maybe you're looking for something completely different? I can understand that.
 
Well, good luck with whatever you decide to do. I've pretty much decided that my next car will be a 911. Just waiting for the right time and car to come along.

#11978 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by kyfdx HOST

Aug 27, 2011 (8:05 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 6:35 pm)
Can I have that crappy 4-banger, when you get the 911?

#11979 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [kyfdx] by fedlawman

Aug 27, 2011 (10:10 pm)

Replying to: kyfdx (Aug 27, 2011 8:05 pm)

#11980 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by 2233

Aug 28, 2011 (9:39 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 2:45 pm)
I understood your logic sir but I guess I consider the qualities of tires way more important than license plates, tinting, or a windshield wiper.
 
I never had a car with run flats and I don't think I ever will until there are substantial improvements in them.
 
Some people really like them so that's what is nice about these forums. Everyone can list the pros and cons and one can make their own decision.

#11981 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by plekto

Aug 28, 2011 (10:14 am)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 28, 2011 9:39 am)
The interesting thing is that these cars are in the same list.
 
One is a large front wheel drive sofa on wheels that is trying to be a better Buick (and largely succeeding as well, I have to admit)
 
One is a small luxury sedan that's extremely understated. A sleeper designed for people who really don't want to show off their money.
 
One is a blinged-out rear wheel drive muscle car. A luxury 370Z to be exact.
 
They all are great vehicles by themselves, but they also are completely different at heart. Honestly I need more information from the original poster because as it is, there is no real connection between the three besides price. Do you want luxury and refinement? Speed and power? A mix of the two? Do you want manual? What about size and weight?
 
For example, if you wanted a luxury barge, then you should be looking at the TL, something from Lexus, or possibly a larger Buick or Cadillac. There's nothing wrong with wanting that (my current car is one - I hate small cars in Los Angeles traffic)
 
If you want smaller and sporty, the G37, the CTS, and the 3 series all come to mind as top choices.
 
If you want refined luxury, the Mercedes, Audi, and the Lexus IS(or possibly the GS) are top choices.

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