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#11959 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [pr2az] by nyccarguy

Aug 25, 2011 (10:50 am)

Replying to: pr2az (Aug 24, 2011 8:14 pm)
It all depends on your driving style & what is important to you (performance, style, interior comfort, features, trunk space, rear passenger space, driving dynamics...). Especially if you are leasing, all the cars you mentioned will be covered by their respective factory warranties for the duration of your lease (& probably beyond). Reliability should pretty much a non-issue.
 
Mercedes has been running some insanely cheap lease deals lately. Especially on leftover 2011 C300 4Matics (the most popular C around here).
 
I'm a pretty big fan of Hondas. We own 3. Yes the TL is nose heavy & is front wheel drive, but Acuras drive pretty nice. They are "sporty." They are far from floaty, but very comfortable. Interior appointments are fantastic, it offers generous front & rear accomodations, a decent sized trunk, lots of tech for the dollar.
 
Im curious as to why the OP is checking out the G37 as opposed to the G25 as well. The G37X is a bonafide road rocket. You get 326 hp and a proper RWD chassis. Even though the X denotes AWD, it is still RWD most of the time. Infiniti has some seriously good factory backed leasing. Coupled with a $1000 dealer incentive (not customer incentive) & 2% holdback, you can lease one very cheap.
 
How good is the G37X? I'm trying to convince my wife that we should dump our perfectly good 2010 TSX (bought 8/29/09) with 39K miles and 3 years left to payoff so I can lease the G37X & save $100 a month as opposed to driving the TSX until the wheels fall off.
 
Definitely check out the BMW 328i. The 3 series is a fantastic driver's car. Very sharp reflexes. Excellent driving dynamics. It is a little tight in the back seat & the trunk is tiny too.
 
Good luck & keep us posted with what you get.

#11960 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [carnaught] by 2233

Aug 25, 2011 (11:41 am)

Replying to: carnaught (Aug 25, 2011 9:21 am)
I would agree that the mileage on the G 37 is not great but you are driving a forced induction muscle car of sorts. On the expressway, I get 23 mpg.
 
We have a 04 G35X and a 07 G35X. The exhaust on the 2004 is definitely loud but I hardly notice the exhaust on the newer 2007. I notice the exhaust more now that I replaced the tires with Michelins on the 04. There is a clear difference in the newer Gs re the exhaust sound. You may not even notice the exhaust on the new Gs.
 
I will probably buy an EX35 soon. I want something small with folding seats. Some consider this a G37 with a little more storage. The EX is something to consider even though it is technically not a sedan but the smallest crossover on the market. Infiniti has some nice incentives now.

#11961 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by qbrozen

Aug 25, 2011 (12:50 pm)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 25, 2011 11:41 am)
it is not forced induction, FYI. Forced induction means supercharger or turbocharger, of which the G37 has neither.

#11962 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [qbrozen] by 2233

Aug 25, 2011 (2:20 pm)

Replying to: qbrozen (Aug 25, 2011 12:50 pm)
You are correct. I misspoke re the forced induction. I've read numerous posts re forced induction mods on the G.
 
I guess I meant to say that the G is a beast even without forced induction which several competitors use such as the BMW 335.

#11963 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by shabadoo25

Aug 25, 2011 (5:16 pm)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 25, 2011 8:41 am)
Not driving a 3 series because of the tires is ludicrous.
 
Get an 08 or 09 335i.

#11964 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [shabadoo25] by 2233

Aug 25, 2011 (7:35 pm)

Replying to: shabadoo25 (Aug 25, 2011 5:16 pm)
The abilities and liabilities of the tires are pretty important to most.
 
There is no room for a spare in the X3 if you switch out the tires to non run flats.
 
The interior of the current 3 series is very dated but the X3 interior is a huge improvement.
 
There are many posters on the BMW sites that do not care for the run flats, although some do like the fact that they generally won't have to change a flat tire. Getting stranded if you are out of state is a big concern in addition to the noise and poorer handling.
 
That being said, I love the handling of the current 3 series. I actually considered the E91 until I saw the interior. It also has run flats.

#11965 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [shabadoo25] by fedlawman

Aug 27, 2011 (9:41 am)

Replying to: shabadoo25 (Aug 25, 2011 5:16 pm)
I totally understand about those BMW run-flats. All the German companies are ruining their cars...
 
I was all set to get a Porsche 911 until I noticed that the passenger side windshield wiper arm was an inch too short.

#11966 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [2233] by fedlawman

Aug 27, 2011 (9:44 am)

Replying to: 2233 (Aug 25, 2011 7:35 pm)
You do realize that there are these places called "tire stores?"

#11967 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by nyccarguy

Aug 27, 2011 (11:16 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 9:41 am)
Hey fedlawman! Good to see you are still around my friend.

#11968 of 16087 Re: 2012 TL vs 2012 C Class vs G37 [fedlawman] by 2233

Aug 27, 2011 (12:15 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Aug 27, 2011 9:44 am)
I checked several national tire stores in my area and none stock the runflats. According to several posters on the BMW sites, most dealerships do not stock them.
 
So if you don't travel out of state you're ok with the run flats.
 
I guess you didn't do your homework researching this. Please go ahead and buy a car with run flats. Take some reading material with you if you go out of state because you may get stranded.

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