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#11814 of 16087 Re: maxima? [savetheland] by plekto

Jan 12, 2011 (7:09 pm)

Replying to: savetheland (Jan 12, 2011 5:38 pm)
It is worth noting as well that the CTS is almost as good as a BMW 5 series in hard driving.(that said, 99% of us won't even get to those limits for either car) That base 3.0 is quite nice, and the 3.6 isn't really necessary. The interior as well is almost identical to an Acura or Audi in how well it's thought out and how nice it is. It feels properly luxurious and fits 4 adults quite easily.(though the G37 does that as well, I have to admit). The panoramic sunroof is awesome. And in a first for GM, the NAV system actually works.
 
My only gripe with it is that you absolutely need the rear camera option or an aftermarket spoiler because you can't see the rear end while parking.(like the Civic, there are *zero* visual cues). But it's not alone in that, either. The worst offender currently is actually the new Honda Crosstour, which might as well be a utility van when it comes to driver visibility. It also could use something on the hood for the same reason - you kind of expect a Cadillac to have a hood ornament. It's an amazingly easy car to drive fast, but amazingly hard to park.
 
Me, I don't parallel park if I can help it, so it's not an issue. Just something to be aware of.
 
edit - truecar and cars direct say there are still some 2010 CTS models out there, so you might be able to get one for closer to 30-32K if you don't mind black. (27.5K for a base model(29 with auto), 30K for the Luxury, 32K for the Performance, and 34K for the 3.6) Almost all seem to be black or silver, which is usually what's left over.
 
But.. even a base model CTS for ~29K... that makes every other mid-size sedan in the upper 20K range drop off of my radar. Especially the emasculated Regal. Got to love year end fire sales at GM.

#11815 of 16087 Re: maxima? [savetheland] by fedlawman

Jan 13, 2011 (8:19 pm)

Replying to: savetheland (Jan 12, 2011 5:38 pm)
So, anyone here want to talk about Bimmers again?

#11816 of 16087 Re: maxima? [fedlawman] by plekto

Jan 14, 2011 (4:12 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 13, 2011 8:19 pm)
I'll talk about any of the older "classic" BMWs all day long Not such a fan of the modern plastic and heavy stuff, though the 1 series is thankfully only a little bit over 3000lbs.

#11817 of 16087 Re: maxima? [plekto] by ivan_99

Jan 14, 2011 (9:46 am)

Replying to: plekto (Jan 14, 2011 4:12 am)
3373 lbs (135)
 
Not sure how much weight is added by the options.
 
Not light, but being a fat guy in a room with a bunch of morbidly obese people tends to make you look thin

#11818 of 16087 Re: maxima? [plekto] by fedlawman

Jan 14, 2011 (3:00 pm)

Replying to: plekto (Jan 14, 2011 4:12 am)
Well, most folks around here know I'll talk about e30's all day long. Unfortunately, it's not the topic of this thread.
 
So, will the 1-series M qualify as the best ELLPS (I know, it's a coupe, but in a 3-box sort of way) on the planet? It's definitely piqued my interest.

#11819 of 16087 Re: maxima? [ivan_99] by plekto

Jan 14, 2011 (3:07 pm)

Replying to: ivan_99 (Jan 14, 2011 9:46 am)
The base model with manual is 3208lbs. A little weight trimming and a few aftermarket mods and you're looking at probably 3100lbs without too much expense.

#11820 of 16087 Re: maxima? [fedlawman] by roadburner

Jan 14, 2011 (10:56 pm)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 14, 2011 3:00 pm)
It's definitely piqued my interest.
 
I came very close to ordering a a 2011 128i, optioned to my specs(M Sport Pkg, Cold Weather Pkg, Harman-Kardon audio, keyless entry, and xenons). Manual leather seats and no hole in the roof. My dealer was offering $2000 off MSRP. With BMW's $1500 Holiday cash and my $500 CCA rebate I was looking at $32000+TTL. Good deal, but I kept thinking what I could buy used for similar money, such as a Z4 M Coupe or a Cayman. I'd have the same dilemma with the 1er M Coupe- for $47,000 I can get a CPO E9x M3 or better yet, a pristine 2005 0r 2006 E46 M3 ZCP(and have plenty of cash left over for a Brembo kit, pads, and track tires).

#11821 of 16087 Re: maxima? [roadburner] by fedlawman

Jan 14, 2011 (11:16 pm)

Replying to: roadburner (Jan 14, 2011 10:56 pm)
Or an 06 or 07 CPO Porsche 997...

#11822 of 16087 Re: maxima? [fedlawman] by roadburner

Jan 15, 2011 (10:20 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Jan 14, 2011 11:16 pm)
Or an 06 or 07 CPO Porsche 997...
 
Yeah, that too...

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