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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11709 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [tlong]
Nov 03, 2010 (5:04 pm)
Re: the acceleration, I think it is called salesman ignorance, not BS
Regarding the turbolag in the A4, I think it is not the AWD but is the lousy CVT Audi puts in the FWD A4. The CVT improves gas mileage but acceleration suffers. (I liked the CVT in the Maxima.) I test drove several 2010 A4s with and without the CVT and there is a huge difference between the CVT and the tiptronic in the Quattro - the tip it is much smoother and seems faster. I had a 2007 Quattro A4, which had a little more turbo lag - the 2010 is much smoother and almost eliminates turbo lag. That said, turbo lag ain't all bad because it means you get turbo acceleration. As fun and fast as my 328iT is, it does not give the whoosh that the torque in the A4 gives in 40-60 mph.
I am an odd creature in that I love Audis (and Swedish Saabs) but don't own one. I own a bimmer because it is quieter and I have a hearing problem. Both are vunderval! cars. The A4 is prettier, with more luxurious leather and a smoother, more refined driving feel. The 328 handles better, is faster throughout the mph range and is more reliable. The 335, of course, is faster but much more expensive and has a lousy repair record. Regarding size, the 328i (sedan) is a bit cramped but the iT (sportwagon) has about the same amount of interior space as the A4 sedan and wagon.
Or, how about a used 528 or 535? If you get a 2009, you get 4 years of warranty - 2 years of original warranty and two years of CPO. You eliminate those first two years of huge depreciation if you bargain well. Cars.com has a 2009 in L.A. with 13k for $36,000. You could get it for $31,000.
Other thoughts - try the new Volvo S60. It looks very cool and is very fast. New Jags are gorgeous.
Dap, You are right: The G37 IS cramped. The C300 IS cramped. The IS250 IS like a 70s band - supercramped. The TL DOES have a nasty beak and is sorta ponderous. The TSX IS downscale from these cars but still a cool rig. The CTS - despite what Pletko thinks - IS an American car.
#11710 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [edwardsf]
Nov 03, 2010 (10:08 pm)
Yes, but it's unlike anything GM has produced to date. It punks almost everything from Japan and most of the stuff out of Europe and was designed with European tastes and drivers in mind.
But yeah, it is made by a U.S. based company.
#11711 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [edwardsf]
Nov 04, 2010 (4:18 am)
I test drove several 2010 A4s with and without the CVT and there is a huge difference between the CVT and the tiptronic in the Quattro - the tip it is much smoother and seems faster.
Ahh, that explains it - I'll be going back to try the Quattro soon. I really liked the Audi interior - truly a pleasure. My wife seems to think we need a bigger back seat but that is a minor consideration for me - it would get little use.
I'll really have to give the CPO 535 some thought - I really hadn't considered buying a used car but I can see it has its advantages.
The CTS isn't a player for me, though I'm sure it's a nice car.
#11712 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [dap2006]
Nov 04, 2010 (7:17 am)
If you are looking at slightly used check out Infiniti M. Nice cars with big depriciation.
Autotrader has one 2009 M35 AWD with 15K miles for $39K
2008 M35 with 31K miles for $32K
Both in orange county (ZIP 62626)
#11713 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [dap2006]
Nov 04, 2010 (7:27 am)
Kind of odd, though, that you won't consider a pre-owned CTS while you will consider a pre-owned 535. They are fairly similar. But the CTS is a lot less expensive as a CPO vehicle and quite a bit more reliable as well.
Another car to try out - and this is a bit of an oddball, but bear with me - is the RX8. It fits 4 adults just fine, and the oddly shaped rear doors aside, it's basically a 4 door sport sedan. Fantastic ride, though - just a tiny bit slower than a Boxster and handles as well, too.
The last would be either a Saab or Volvo.
Other than that, well, you're stuck with crossovers and SUVs. It honestly sounds like your wife wants a RAV4 or similar and you want a 3 series and you're stuck in a no-man's land of trying to find the perfect compromise. Except that compromises by nature aren't perfect and never will be.
P.S. If you want Audi at less money, just get the VW version. But expect to pay a lot in repairs and upkeep for both. I've never known anyone who has had either brand who hasn't had it chew at their pocketbook to keep running.
#11714 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [plekto]
Nov 04, 2010 (1:21 pm)
Poster: I don't like apples.
Pletko: Ah, you need to try a Granny Smith.
Poster: I don't want Cocoa Puffs.
Pletko: Have you considered new and improved Cocoa Puffs?
Poster: I am not considering opiates.
Pletko: You really should consider Heroin. It is made for non opiate likers.
Dude, Give it a rest. Can't you respect ther people's taste and requests? Kirstie assures me there are no car salesmen here. But you seem like one. Do you really want to give that impression?
Also, Dap says he thinks some of those cars are too cramped and you mention the RX8. Buwahahahaha. That is a good one Pletko. Keep em coming.
Another clever joke by you: the VW CC is the VW version of the Audi A4. No. It's not. Not anymore than a Chevy Malibu is a CTS. Different platform. Different engine configuration and tuning. Different suspension. Different AWD system. Different transmission. Different interior. They do have one thin in common: both get average reliability from CR.
And I don't really believe you have any friends that don't own GMs. "Hey Lou, seen the new Aveo?" "Hey Lou, thought about a G8?" "Hey, Lou, you should consider a CTS." "Hey, Lou, wait up. Hey Lou!
#11715 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [edwardsf]
Nov 04, 2010 (4:33 pm)
That is the absolute funniest post I've read on these boards...
I'm having some series issues selecting my next vehicle. I'll need a new ride when I turn my G35XS in end of Dec. I'm toying with the 335XI, manual tranny, Nav, M sport package, etc. and an Audi S4. I couldn't do another G sedan even with the upgrades from 08' to 11' the car is...well...'nice'.
The used 09' 5 series is an interesting option...hmmm.
#11716 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [edwardsf]
Nov 04, 2010 (8:16 pm)
I was a little sarcastic, but I guess it got lost in translation. He's pretty much unhappy with everything, and really he's got maybe Mazda, Mitsubishi, and Volvo left. He wants something sporty and that handles well, and we're out of options, really. (I personally think his wife needs to get over the whole cargo/back seat thing unless they have 3 kids) It sounds like she wants a crossover/wagon.
Oh, wait - I forgot one - the Lexus G. That's about all that's left.
As for the VW/Audi comparison, it depends which models. He obviously thinks that the A4 is too small, so the next size larger, well there IS a VW that uses the A3 platform but is between the A4 and A6 in size (ie - the Passat) While they aren't literal clones, they share so much DNA and parts they might as well be fighting over who gets the china in the estate sale.
I'd certainly not pay Audi prices without looking at the Passat first.
#11717 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [plekto]
Nov 05, 2010 (7:10 am)
Actually, I'm not unhappy with everything but simply weighing the pro's and con's - that was the point of soliciting other's opinions. Your sarcasm seems to flow from frustration with my not considering your GM options, but as I originally posted, I'm not a fan of the American offerings - nothing personal there.
Likewise, I don't consider VW, Mazda, or Mitsubishi as acceptable alternatives. And while my wife prefers a larger back seat than an A4, I don't think that confines us to Rav 4's or SUV-type options.
To get back to the discussion, at this point my best bets seem to be a G37, M37, BMW 5 series (new or more likely CPO) - still thinking (and thanks to all!)
#11718 of 16984 Re: Trying to decide.... TL? G37? other? [dap2006]
by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST
Nov 05, 2010 (7:23 am)
I'll throw in my $0.02 here, realizing that that's all it is...
You're likely to get much more bang for your buck by going used on any of the 3 vehicles at the top of your list. I'd look for off-lease / CPO vehicles. In my experience, leased vehicles are often more well-looked after if for no other reason than the person leasing fears extra charges at lease turn-in. I bought a G35 several years ago off-lease and it had taken a pretty significant depreciation hit.... I've beat the tar out of it mileage-wise and mechanically it's still perfect. YMMV.