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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11663 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [fedlawman]
Oct 10, 2010 (2:19 pm)
i agree lawman.. but smarty is again mistaken as you posted, just like he was mistaken about me even talking about the TSX -- i have never made comments saying the tsx sales have tanked but I did say and prove (using hondas own sales numbers) that TL sales have "tanked" since they changed to the modern design -- i can pull up the numbers again for the TL --the car i mentioned. Smarty might be having flashbacks on the TL2009+ chat when i threw a bunch of slaes facts about the TL.
But for smarty to say the TSX sales not tanking-well again I would like to see the numbers -- wait i went to wiki and here are the facts-
Total American sales
2009 was when they changed the body style-- I dont think this is a tank job-ALA TL -- so smarty I agree..but acura in general cant be happy with the present momentum of sales. that was easy
(sorry for the long post)
#11664 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [fedlawman]
Oct 10, 2010 (1:43 pm)
Again, you put words in their that I did not say. I did not say that TSX sales were strong or really really good. All I said was that TSX sales have not tanked and they haven't!
Here is some even better figures then sweens about the TSX: Directly from Acura media released on Oct 1st based on Sept and 2010 sales.
YTD Sept 2010
YTD Sept 2009
#11665 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [sweendogy]
Oct 10, 2010 (1:54 pm)
Seriously, what is wrong with you? For the last time, I DID NOT say TSX sales tanked, I said TSX sales HAD NOT TANKED!
Just because they have decreased over the last two years by a few thousand does not mean they are tanking and as I just showed you in a post above, the TSX is higher in sales this year thus far then at this time last year hence a upward rise.
Yeah, your figures really showed how bad the TSX sales have tanked
And here is the figures for the TL to show its decrease in sales and thus poor sales performance, taken from Acura media newsroom.
YTD - 1.8%
TL 2004 Sales: 77,895
TL 2005 Sales: 78,218
TL 2006 Sales: 72,348
TL 2007 Sales: 58,545
TL 2008 Sales: 48,766
TL 2009 Sales: 33,620
As you can see, the sales decrease in the TL is quite substantial compared to the TSX and hence why I have said tanked for the TL. It is sad considering the TL was Acura's bread and butter model for so many years and that now has changed to the MDX. You can state a whole host of reasons why it dropped but its safe to say that the TSX has been a better success for them then the TL is right now.
#11667 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [smarty666]
Oct 10, 2010 (2:30 pm)
run forest run, - again -i did not disagree with you, just wanted the numbers... re-read what i said i was agreeing with you, take a deep breath- but thanks for reposting the TL numbs, good stuff, this was something I posted in the 2009 TL chat months ago..as a weird twist you replied to that one too..
Oct 10, 2010 (7:26 pm)
Seems I saw a story on a new 3.5 from Mercedes that would bump HP to ~ 300 or so. This was a month or so ago - but no reference to what models would get it first. Are there any hints when it may arrive in the C class?
#11669 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [smarty666]
Oct 10, 2010 (8:05 pm)
Isn't the entire auto market up over 20% '09 vs. '10? If so, a 7.7% rise means the TSX is not holding its own.
FWIW, IMHO the new TSX is another example of how Honda is going all wrong lately -- bigger, softer, and more tarted up with gadgets. But not better.
#11670 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [smarty666]
Oct 10, 2010 (9:16 pm)
Do you work for Acura in California or a local dealership?
#11671 of 16087 Re: Let's get to the facts [duke39]
Oct 11, 2010 (6:02 am)
Yeah, I worked for both That is why I posted numbers showing the TL's huge sales decline over the last few years
Oct 11, 2010 (7:25 am)
This is getting too personal. As fedlawman mentioned, we're talking about cars here... there's no need to get all bent out of shape if someone disagrees with your perspective.