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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11619 of 16982 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [smarty666]
Oct 06, 2010 (5:07 pm)
Hmm, what is this "agree" thingy? Well, okay, I will run with it.
Regarding ground clearance, I have the same issue with getting in and out. My A4 avec sport package was lower to the ground than my 3 series (sans sport package) and the Audi's seats were just a smidgen lower. This meant I used my back much more getting out of the Audi than I do now with the Bimmer. So make sure you try them all in various packages.
BTW, the Bimmer non sport seemed to be similar in cornering to the A4 sport. Of course, the Quattro sticks better due to AWD but the Bimmer's steering is just sublime. I truly think the Audi is the balance between the Bimmer and the Mercedes.
I also felt that the Infiinty drove heavier than all three German cars. The G almost reminded me of an American muscle car. NB, I only drove used (2007-8) models. But since cars don't seem to get lighter, I think the Germans are probably more nimble feeling than the Infinity.
Regarding my other infirmity, I have a hearing loss and carefully scrutinized for road noise. The Germans win again, especially the C300 and the 3 series. The new A4 was definitely my favorite car but it really was had much more road noise than the the others. Also, the Lexus were pretty quiet.
That said, I like almost all these cars on the list on the right. The only exceptions are the Caddy, which just seems gauche and the cramped, slow IS250. They all have their strengths and cars are really just better now.
#11620 of 16982 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [edwardsf]
Oct 06, 2010 (6:19 pm)
edwards lets play a game, guess the "german"
car and driver review of 3 cars:
Highs: Well sculpted inside and out, a feeling of flingability, the interior’s “ash almond beige” wood accents.
Lows: Road noise, wind noise, engine noise that lacks the manners expected at nearly $$$$$ large.
The Verdict: Very Rico, not very Suave.
Highs: Seriously fast, seriously groovy in the turns, serious seats well matched to the serious g capability of the chassis.
Lows: V-6 is a little rough, the clutch takeup is abrupt and stiff besides, tight on toe space in back.
The Verdict: Muscular and poised, and low-profile about it; a machine for you, not your audience.
3) Highs: Hey-lookit-me visuals, plush leather lining, comfy in back (for two), hushed at high speeds.
Lows: The steering’s zone of indifference on-center, flinty ride over small bumps, too many buttons.
The Verdict: All the right stuff but can’t make conversation.
guess the german?
#11621 of 16982 Re: The G25 [smarty666]
Oct 06, 2010 (6:40 pm)
I can't see spending several hundred dollars for tires you only would use on occasion 2-3 months out of the year. Just my personal preference.
My guess is that you're a young guy. All-season radial tires didn't become widely available until the mid to late 1970s. Before that, just about everyone who lived in the snow belt switched tires - from regular to snows, as they were called then - at the beginning of winter & then switched back to regular tires at the beginning of spring. Keep in mind that almost everyone drove RWD cars in those days. FWD didn't become widely available until the 70s, & AWD was available only on trucks until the 90s.
I remember that Dad always made the switch to snow tires on the Friday after Thanksgiving.
Something else to remember is that your regular tires will last that much longer if you're running with winter tires during the cold weather months. So the total ownership cost is less than you think.
Given that tires are the only part of your car that actually touches the road, do you really want to cheap out on them? Think about it. If you can't afford top quality rubber for your car, you might be better off riding the bus.
#11622 of 16982 Re: The G25 [fedlawman]
Oct 06, 2010 (7:12 pm)
sure! winter tires are not exactly known for smooth ride and low noise level so why would I want to deal with that from Dec-Mar! I'll take the smoother/more quiet ride all season tires offer
#11623 of 16982 Re: The G25 [sweendogy]
Oct 06, 2010 (7:17 pm)
Research by many companies has shown that the 6spd does not sell well on many cars. That is the reason Nissan stopped offering it on the Maxima. There was not enough demand for it and they were losing money no the manual models. You can get a manual on the G37 just like on the TL now so you have options if you want manual they are just much more limited then if you wanted automatic.
I said TSX sales have been pretty good so I don't know why you want numbers on why its tanking
I want them to keep the VQ engines as well b/c I agree they are a performance beast, it is m hope Diamler and Mercedes will be able to just help Nissan quiet them down a bit at idle, etc so they are more refined sounding.
#11624 of 16982 Re: The G25 [jimbres]
Oct 06, 2010 (7:21 pm)
Well, despite not getting winter tires, I have always tried to get some of the best all season tires for road grip, handling, etc to compensate and most have done pretty well. Its not that big of a deal for me b/c I will not drive on the road with more than a few inches of snow. Its just nice to have the AWD so that I don't get stuck at work or anywhere if I'm not home when a winter storm or blizzard starts.
#11625 of 16982 Re: The G25 [smarty666]
Oct 06, 2010 (7:24 pm)
"sure! winter tires are not exactly known for smooth ride and low noise level so why would I want to deal with that from Dec-Mar! I'll take the smoother/more quiet ride all season tires offer "
Bzzzt! I'm sorry, that is incorrect! I've driven cars with a dozen different winter tires over the last few years, and to a one, the tires were easily as quiet as the rubber used on the car for the other three seasons; that and in most cases they rode smoother! "Smoother?" you ask. Yes, smoother. Why? Because typically when one buys a winter wheel/tire set, they "minus one" on the size (my 530i is a good example; the summer tires were 235/45 R17s while the winter tires were 225/55 R16s), and the taller sidewall of the winter tires afforded a cushier ride.
#11626 of 16982 Re: The G25 [shipo]
Oct 06, 2010 (7:58 pm)
Bingo! Right on the money as usual Shipo. My winter wheels & tires are minus one on my Prelude (Summer size 205/50 R16, winter size 195/60 R15). In 8 & a half years, I've never been stuck in my Prelude once. That includes getting buried overnight while parked on the street in a snowstorm by the NYC Department of Sanitation, living in Westchester County (NYC suburb) that is anything but flat. Not once being able to NOT make it to work (not an option, my Dad is the boss & my name's on the door) due to inclement weather. People look at me like I have 4 heads and 5 feet when I tell them I switch to snow tires in the winter.
#11627 of 16982 Re: The G25 [nyccarguy]
Oct 06, 2010 (8:02 pm)
"People look at me like I have 4 heads and 5 feet when I tell them I switch to snow tires in the winter."
Up here in New Hamster the only folks I give that look to are the ones that are still driving their winter tires in July.