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#11549 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil] by jimbres

Oct 01, 2010 (10:55 am)

Replying to: gbosil (Oct 01, 2010 8:08 am)
The Germans still have many ELECTRICAL problems to sort out. Read consumer reports talk to people who own them.
 
I have an '01 BMW 330i that I bought in June of that year - more than 9 years ago - & I've had exactly zero electrical problems to date.
 
Also, I'm looking at the 2010 Consumer Reports auto issue as I write this. (I've subscribed to CR for over 30 years, BTW.) CR rates the 3-series BMW as "better than average" & the 5-series as "average". (The 5 gets a lower rating because of problems with its sound system.) For both cars, CR rates the core systems - engine, cooling, transmission, fuel & electrical - as either "better than average" or "much better than average".
 
In fact, the frequency of repair ratings for late-model BMW 3s are just about identical to those for recent Acura TLs.
 
Oh... and by the way.. CHECK THEIR LABOR RATES! YIKES!!!!!!
 
I don't know about you, but after the factory warranty expires, I don't go back to the dealer. Why would anyone do that? I use an excellent independent mechanic, who takes care of my wife's Lexus, my BMW & our Honda CR-V. So I can say quite truthfully that I don't pay a higher labor rate for my BMW than I do for our 2 Japanese cars.

#11550 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [kirstie_h] by gbosil

Oct 01, 2010 (11:57 am)

Replying to: kirstie_h (Oct 01, 2010 8:26 am)
No... I realize that. ha ha ha . . . Just stirring the pot a bit... I guess it worked!

#11551 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [jimbres] by gbosil

Oct 01, 2010 (12:02 pm)

Replying to: jimbres (Oct 01, 2010 10:55 am)
Huh... interesting... got my 2010 Consumer Reports Car Buying guide in front of me right now.... see an awful lot of BLACK dots for BMWs.... hummmm lookin' over at the Acura side wow to my surprise an awful lot of reds! CR Best Buys and Recommended TL, TSX, MDX . .. . etc...........................
 

#11552 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [jimbres] by billyperks2

Oct 01, 2010 (12:15 pm)

Replying to: jimbres (Oct 01, 2010 10:55 am)
"I have an '01 BMW 330i that I bought in June of that year - more than 9 years ago - & I've had exactly zero electrical problems to date. "
Consider yourself lucky.
My co-worker has the 330XI and that car literally calls the dealer its second home.

#11553 of 16087 MY DAD. . . by cdnpinhead

Oct 01, 2010 (12:58 pm)

can beat up your dad. Great to be back in middle school, or 4th grade, or whatever. . .
 
Didn't realize that the TSX I4 that I drive is only one step away from a threshing machine.
 
Live and learn.
 
I've only driven 1.3 million miles.

#11554 of 16087 Re: MY DAD. . . [cdnpinhead] by roadburner

Oct 01, 2010 (12:31 pm)

Replying to: cdnpinhead (Oct 01, 2010 12:58 pm)
Didn't realize that the TSX I4 that I drive is only one step away from a threshing machine.
 
Look on the bright side; it seems I've been driving taxis at HPDEs since 1988...

#11555 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil] by jimbres

Oct 01, 2010 (2:51 pm)

Replying to: gbosil (Oct 01, 2010 12:02 pm)
Perhaps if you cleaned your glasses...

#11556 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [billyperks2] by jimbres

Oct 01, 2010 (3:12 pm)

Replying to: billyperks2 (Oct 01, 2010 12:15 pm)
I'd say that your co-worker is unlucky, which can happen with any make.
 
The E46 3-series cars have been quite reliable overall. Several of my friends & co-workers own them & have had good experiences with them.

#11557 of 16087 Re: MY DAD. . . [roadburner] by fedlawman

Oct 01, 2010 (3:20 pm)

Replying to: roadburner (Oct 01, 2010 12:31 pm)
"I've been driving taxis at HPDEs since 1988"
 
What's the fare? I think I'd like a ride in your cab...

#11558 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil] by edwardsf

Oct 01, 2010 (6:03 pm)

Replying to: gbosil (Oct 01, 2010 8:08 am)
""I just see all those black and red dots." I don't think its a coloring book. If you actually scrutinize all those round red and black dot thingies - which sounds like it may be a bit too much trouble for you - you will find that the 328 and 528 have better than average ratings. As people have pointed out, even the more troublesome 335/535s have few well below average marks besides the stereo and heater or something.
 
"Just can't justify it over a Acura or Lexus in terms of reliability, value, resale and similar quality." Who in the world would want to? Sports sedans are to go fast around corners in. Why would you buy them for "value?" You want value, get a Honda. Oh, wait. You did.

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