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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11542 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [shipo]
Oct 01, 2010 (8:08 am)
Let me re-phrase... what I ment was... In Japan "Acuras" are not taxies and Toyotas are Basically there used to be a prestige about BMW and Mercedes years ago only a select few individuals "accomplished" individuals could afford one... today they are a dime a dozen and mass produced. I see them everywhere. If you want to spend 17K more on a 528i vs the TL-SHAWD just to say " hey look at me I drive a bimmer" go ahead you fool! Thats you own perog. As soon as you dive it off the lot it's now worth 49K vs 60K and the depreciation on a BMW is just wicked! I just test drove the new 2011 5 series at my local BMW dealer... not impressed with the 60K+ price tag and ride quality. In fact the new look doesn't impress me either. Just can't justify it over a Acura or Lexus in terms of reliability, value, resale and similar quality. The Germans still have many ELECTRICAL problems to sort out. Read consumer reports talk to people who own them. Oh... and by the way.. CHECK THEIR LABOR RATES! YIKES!!!!!!
#11543 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil]
Oct 01, 2010 (8:17 am)
Dude, there ARE NO ACURAs in Japan. Why? Because Acura is exclusive to North America. That said, a number of years ago I rode in a "Honda Legend" taxi in Osaka, a car that was identical to the Acura Legend of its day here in the U.S.
As for calling folks "Fools", if you want a flame war, keep it up. Personally I wouldn't be caught dead in a TL-SHAWD, its a nose heavy sled for poseurs. You want a real car, stop looking at Acura.
There, back at'cha.
#11544 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [shipo]
Oct 01, 2010 (8:21 am)
Listen. you are wrong. there are Acuras in Japan I was just there in Tokyo and saw quite a few running around. Sorry to strike a nerve... not here to start any war just making my point heard under "free speeech and my opinon." BMWs and Mercedes are nothing but mass produced cars... period.
#11545 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil]
by kirstie_h HOST
Oct 01, 2010 (8:26 am)
"free speech"? Were you under the impression that you have a Constitutional guarantee of "free speech" on these Forums? Just a question....
And no, we aren't going to start a war, at least not one that gets personal. That doesn't work for us.
#11546 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil]
Oct 01, 2010 (8:47 am)
There may be Acura's in Japan but they weren't sold there. To date, Honda has yet to market the Acura brand in Japan, that said, they have expanded the brand to include Mexico, Hong Kong, and China.
As for BMWs and Mercedes-Benzs being "mass-produced", so? What's your point? All cars with the exception of a few exotics are "mass-produced"; the difference is that some companies imbue their cars with better design and engineering than others. With the lone exceptions of the NSX and the S2000, I've yet to see a Honda product that measures up (class for class) to any Benz or BMW.
#11547 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [shipo]
Oct 01, 2010 (9:51 am)
And to think that I've wasted the past 27 years driving BMWs- when all that time I could have been driving re-badged Hondas...
#11548 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [fedlawman]
Oct 01, 2010 (10:15 am)
The I4 in the TSX is a loud obnoxious engine which gets piss pour mpg for an engine its size and displacement when there are I4s coming out now with the same and even better gas mileage then the TSX I4 and ones that don't sound like a V8 engine at idle; Acura really needs to begin working on their I4 engines because they are behind in their game compared to everyone else in that department among others
Sure you can get them similar equipped I guess you've just failed to try and build them properly
the only thing that is wrong with the VQ is its noise level at idle sometimes; it is one of the best performance oriented engine I've ever had and still kills the Acura V6s for performance and acceleration!. Might becoming to an end though if MB has its way in the partnership.
#11549 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil]
Oct 01, 2010 (10:55 am)
The Germans still have many ELECTRICAL problems to sort out. Read consumer reports talk to people who own them.
I have an '01 BMW 330i that I bought in June of that year - more than 9 years ago - & I've had exactly zero electrical problems to date.
Also, I'm looking at the 2010 Consumer Reports auto issue as I write this. (I've subscribed to CR for over 30 years, BTW.) CR rates the 3-series BMW as "better than average" & the 5-series as "average". (The 5 gets a lower rating because of problems with its sound system.) For both cars, CR rates the core systems - engine, cooling, transmission, fuel & electrical - as either "better than average" or "much better than average".
In fact, the frequency of repair ratings for late-model BMW 3s are just about identical to those for recent Acura TLs.
Oh... and by the way.. CHECK THEIR LABOR RATES! YIKES!!!!!!
I don't know about you, but after the factory warranty expires, I don't go back to the dealer. Why would anyone do that? I use an excellent independent mechanic, who takes care of my wife's Lexus, my BMW & our Honda CR-V. So I can say quite truthfully that I don't pay a higher labor rate for my BMW than I do for our 2 Japanese cars.
#11550 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [kirstie_h]
Oct 01, 2010 (11:57 am)
No... I realize that. ha ha ha . . . Just stirring the pot a bit... I guess it worked!
#11551 of 16087 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [jimbres]
Oct 01, 2010 (12:02 pm)
Huh... interesting... got my 2010 Consumer Reports Car Buying guide in front of me right now.... see an awful lot of BLACK dots for BMWs.... hummmm lookin' over at the Acura side wow to my surprise an awful lot of reds! CR Best Buys and Recommended TL, TSX, MDX . .. . etc...........................