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#11532 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [fedlawman] by smarty666

Sep 30, 2010 (9:32 am)

Replying to: fedlawman (Sep 29, 2010 6:36 pm)
That was what I was talking about, similarly equipped vehicles, same options, equipment, features, engine sizes, etc and it is possible to build a German and Japanese vehicle pretty similarly with equipment, the only difference is going to be the total price on the window.
 
I do agree with you about the value of German engineering and as I mentioned before, that is definitely a factor when purchasing one of their vehicles for many people, myself included. I would have not tried that Mercedes a few years ago if it wasn't. At least in my case, prestige did play a part in getting that MB because in conjunction with the luxury precision comfort MB's are known for. It except for 2 things covered under warranty, I really enjoyed that MB and it sure the heck was more reliable then the Caddy I had.

#11533 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [murphydog] by smarty666

Sep 30, 2010 (9:29 am)

Replying to: murphydog (Sep 29, 2010 7:37 pm)
Have to agree with most of what you say. My whole point is that it comes down to choices in the luxury market and as you pointed out yourself, it all comes down to what each persona personally is looking for in a luxury vehicle. If it is the best bang for your buck (financially) then its going to be Japanese vehicle, if its fine tuned mechanical and performance engineering its going to be a German vehicle and so on and so on depending on the specific features and characteristics your looking for.

#11534 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [smarty666] by fedlawman

Sep 30, 2010 (10:29 pm)

Replying to: smarty666 (Sep 30, 2010 9:32 am)
"That was what I was talking about, similarly equipped vehicles, same options, equipment, features, engine sizes, etc and it is possible to build a German and Japanese vehicle pretty similarly with equipment, the only difference is going to be the total price on the window."
 
My point is that you cannot get them "similarly equipped." You cannot get an Acura or Infinity with an in-line 6 engine. The VQ is a thrashy mess, and the Acura V6 is fine, but it's no inline.
 
Now the I-4 in the TSX is a sweet engine - especially when mated to their excellent 6-speed manual. If it had been RWD, I'd probably still be driving it...

#11535 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [smarty666] by gbosil

Oct 01, 2010 (5:27 am)

Replying to: smarty666 (Sep 30, 2010 9:29 am)
BMWs and Mercedes are "TAXIES" in Europe. I rest my case. I don't see any Acura Taxies running around here in the states!

#11536 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [gbosil] by shipo

Oct 01, 2010 (5:55 am)

Replying to: gbosil (Oct 01, 2010 5:27 am)
And your point is?

#11537 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [shipo] by Kirstie@Edmunds HOST

Oct 01, 2010 (6:18 am)

Replying to: shipo (Oct 01, 2010 5:55 am)
That Europe has really nice taxis, and people there like to get where they're going... FAST.
 
(it shouldn't be surprising considering those are European manufacturers, and Acura isn't.)

#11538 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [kirstie_h] by alltorque

Oct 01, 2010 (6:33 am)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Oct 01, 2010 6:18 am)
And the vast majority, (if not all), of those BMW and Mercedes Taxis are, of course, diesels.. The Mercedes E300D is a particular favourite with Brussels taxi drivers, (from memory), and they are really rather quick............"Time is money, m'sieur and the fare is the same whether it takes 10 minutes or 20 minutes. So.............."
 
Fun days and dicing with the trams was a great way to become fully alert on the way to the office of a morning.

#11539 of 16251 EuroTaxis by shipo

Oct 01, 2010 (6:42 am)

Hmmm, I've ridden in many-many taxi cab in Europe and I'd say that only a little over half are diesel. In Paris I'm thinking the number is closer to 90%, in Munich maybe only 30% to 40%. Said another way, it varies dramatically depending upon where you are.
 
As for being nice and fast, yup, I rode in a brand spankin' new E320D a few years ago from the 8th Arrondissement to CDG at about five in the morning. The cabbie was justifiably proud of his new ride and absolutely nailed it when we got on the Péripherique; we were moving north of 160 kph (100 mph) in no time.

#11540 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [cdnpinhead] by billyperks2

Oct 01, 2010 (7:12 am)

Replying to: cdnpinhead (Sep 30, 2010 6:56 am)
Beak is good- it intimidates the car in front of you, also its my favorite part of the car to put on my Zaino shine.

#11541 of 16251 Re: spy shots of 2012 TL [kirstie_h] by pv2

Oct 01, 2010 (8:03 am)

Replying to: Kirstie@Edmunds (Oct 01, 2010 6:18 am)
Many European taxis that I've ridden in (Mercedes, etc.) are deisels, but some are also seriously de-contented to keep the price down (vinyl seats, etc.). The German brands promote an upscale image in the US and only ship their luxury versions here; the ones at home need to be competitive with mid-range cars in Germany.

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