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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11403 of 16985 Re: Check CR Reliability History Charts 
Aug 23, 2010 (12:07 pm)
Couldn't agree with your last post more! I personally, after seeing first hand how the sales animals treat you, have no brand loyalty. I go where ever I like the vehicles, get the best price, treatment, etc. B/C at the end of the day, there is no brand loyalty. When you walk in to the salesman, no matter how long you've been with them, they treat you as if your there for the first time and try to screw you over. I've had it time and time again with multiple automakers.
I'm sorry to hear Acura was not willing to step up and back you up. Its quite a shame. I had the same experience with Infiniti not stepping up and helping me so I guess we were the victims of the same mistreatment, just by different companies!
It is a shame with the sales figures of the new TL. I too was turned away from getting one, b/c of the size increase and ugly grill, hence why I got a new Maxima, so hopefully they get the message on that one and the next gen TL will be back on track. So far, my Maxima has been fun to drive, and after 12k miles, I'm happy to say, no rotor/brake issues like I have on my FX35! Its a good thing for the class action lawsuit so that all my brake/rotor fixes were covered b/c that would have added up quickly and really hurt the bank.
I'm glad, though I can't understand why it took Nissan and Infiniti over 5 years to finally put the proper type of brakes and rotors on their vehicles, that they finally have had their brake/rotor issues solved. Before 2009, it was a really serious problem on both Infiniti and Nissan vehicles. I know the 2007 and 2008 Altima's had major troubles with wear as well, but so far, since 2009 model years, I've read very few brake/rotor issues compared to years previous!
It only goes to help us!
#11404 of 16985 Re: Check CR Reliability History Charts [smarty666]
Aug 23, 2010 (12:25 pm)
I really like the new Maxima. It resembles the M37 a great deal. I didn't test drive one when searching for a car for my daughter since it was priced higher than the Altima but it's alot less expensive than the M37.
Infinti's brake issues existed from 2003 to 2006 in the G. They changed the design and the pad for the 2007 model and no problems with my wife's 2007. I'm not up to speed on the FX though.
I'm looking for a new car in 2011 or 2012. I think the FX is the best looking SUV ever made but some find it not attractive.
Speaking of sleazy salesmen, we test drove a Camry last week also. The salesman knew me somewhat for many years having sold me a Toyotal Supra back in the 90s. He knew that I was an informed consumer.
When we spoke about price, I mentioned that the dealership of a competing brand was cutting the holdback and crediting it to us in their price. He first said he never heard of "holdback" and when I chuckled he later said Toyota only pays $200 for holdback.
I corrected him and informed him that the holdback was more than double that.
We walked out. You'd think that an experienced Toyota salesman would have more sense and class but I guess I give some car salemen too much credit.
#11405 of 16985 TL transmission/brake pad issue
Aug 23, 2010 (1:07 pm)
A potential TL buyer here. I would think the TL auto trans. issue is history by now, after all, they have been on the same 5 speed all these time! one would think... I wish for the new 6 speed but is a bit worried, almost everyone (benz 7, infiniti 7, toyota 6, has had issue with their newer version of auto trans when it first came out.
Funny all the bittering on infiniti brake pad... now all the issues with 2008-2009 Accord brake pads (consistantly short lived, avg. 20K) makes me wonder about the TL brake pads. Haven't heard much about it yet, but watching closely.
#11406 of 16985 Re: TL transmission/brake pad issue [ctl]
Aug 23, 2010 (2:09 pm)
I would wait until the current body style of the TL is out for at least 4 years to assess the potential transmission issues.
Remember, the 2000 + TLs took about 4 years to manifest themselves as did the MDX.
#11407 of 16985 Re: TL transmission/brake pad issue 
Aug 23, 2010 (2:32 pm)
Is the current TL transmission the same as in the '04-'09 models?
#11408 of 16985 Re: Check CR Reliability History Charts 
Aug 23, 2010 (5:20 pm)
comments on CR reliability charts and dealership experinace==
On consumer reports-- I use them for almost everything I buy, from Toasters, Tvs and cars-- i think its a great paid service that does have merit. The break and transmission issues on both the tl and infiniti-- its all about luck when getting a car - most cars have something thats going to be problem (or reported as a problem by the owners)-- no one builds a perfect car (but the accord/civic have been close).
On dealerships-- well i''ve owned both acura and infiniti.. Acura has a better overall setup and you feel wanted when you drop your car off -(2 dealerships i've visited, for oilchanges only, dam i miss the GS-R)- this is my
Infiniti -- well i bought my G35 at a small dealership in the middle of nowhere and they have great service but the larger in-town dealership is cold, mass marketed, non-user friendly monster.
I think its more about who owns the dealership and where its located.
#11410 of 16985 Re: TL transmission/brake pad issue [ctl]
Aug 24, 2010 (6:53 am)
As far as I know, the brake/rotor wear issues are mostly contained to the 2008-2010 Accord. I haven't heard similar problems with the 2009+ TL which I believe uses different pads/rotors from the Accord. Don't quote me on that since I don't have the new TL and not sure what was changed or not changed. But I know that current gen Accord owners are going through hell with Honda on the brake/rotor issues and Honda has not done a great job of stepping up and helping people until being forced to legally or with severe pressure from corporate Honda. Such a shame.
From my own experience, both my 2006 and 2008 TL have had absolutely no brake/rotor issues at all.
#11411 of 16985 Re: TL transmission/brake pad issue [smarty666]
Aug 24, 2010 (8:28 am)
2009 TL AWD- 1 year and 1 week of ownership, absolutley no brake or rotar issues.
#11412 of 16985 Re: TL transmission/brake pad issue [smarty666]
Aug 24, 2010 (3:15 pm)
The current TL auto-trans 5speed is the same one Honda used across the board (RL, TL, Accord, Civic...), since 2000 TL! On one hand they would probably have made it to perfection by now. On the other, one would think they have extincted by now, lagging behind virtually the whole industry in the transmission area! Amazing stubbornness or confidence? maybe also they were bite hard by the early trans. issue and being cautious.
As to the brake pad, if I have to bet, I would take that they share the design and parts with Account, at least the FWD version. Will be great if they didn't, but the jury is still out on this one.