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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#11325 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [billyperks2]
Aug 10, 2010 (6:11 am)
I don't even put the G37 in the same category as the TL SH-AWD. I traded in a 2001 Lexus LS430 (purchased used in 2005) for a new 2010 TL SH-AWD. The TL is actually an inch wider and only a few inches shorter than the LS. The TL is a full size car. If I wanted a mid size car, I would have strongly considered a G37 or an Audi A4. I consider the TL a full size luxury performance sedan. In the same class as a 5 Series, or A6.
#11326 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [billyperks2]
Aug 10, 2010 (7:40 am)
You can post all the negative post[sic] about about the TL, I love my TL to death do us part. I will take it over a G35/37 any day of the week and twice on Sunday. Even if the G35/37 is ten seconds faster than the TL, I dont[sic] want it- too cramp[sic], too loud, too much gas guzzling, too many on the streets (I think Infinit[sic] is selling them at a lost[sic]), too many on the the rental car lots, too feminine looking, too many gears-cant[sic] make up its mind which one to go into, the list of "too" goes on.
#11327 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [billyperks2]
Aug 10, 2010 (7:54 am)
I'm in your corner with the TL over G.
I wouldn't buy one for other reasons...But i'm one of the few that actually like the way it looks. In print (web) it looks odd...but in person I was impressed.
Kinda cool looks...bunch of buttons on the dash (tastefully done); exterior looks like a spaceship. It looks different...which is good; i get bored with the same ol (i like the X6 )
Got the SH-AWD to over-steer (a bit) -- that was with the gas...not pulling the parking brake or anything like that -- I wouldn't rate this drive train layout any less than the others.
A little nose heavy; but not too bad...kinda like an Audi (haven't driven the latest A4...)
It's a bit too big for me (guess TSX V6...); but of course my IS350 feels big (probably because it's overweight).
#11328 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [roadburner]
Aug 10, 2010 (10:21 am)
That is, until you get one with a manual transmission. Then your jaw drops.
Of course, the same thing happens with Mercedes, BMW, and Cadillac. Putting an automatic in the mix just destroys the soul and character of the vehicle.
#11330 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [roadburner]
Aug 10, 2010 (4:27 pm)
well said! guy and billy.. MPG's and legroom are great but so is performance and looks -- I would put this new TL on par with the buick/lexus ES category except they are better looking cars-- i think the real comparison should be the lincoln mkz-- both are larger then entry level sedans, 40k and offer an upgrade engine that only really come in automatics (one in 6k Tl's sold comes in manuals/have yet to find one here on edmunds). They are both middle of the road performance sedans (look at the reviews)/
The G does eat gas for sure-(i get 18mpg most fillups)-and the reason why you see more G's is because they trounce acura TL in sales. (billy i posted the numbers on another chat) To knock the auto is a joke because the TL has a 5 speed auto from the accord.-- and if you see one on a rental lot you should rent it and flog the snap out of it.. Facts are facts, good safe play for a person who is looking for a good lease deal but its not going to win any performance awards other then 5 star crash safety.
#11331 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [sweendogy]
Aug 11, 2010 (5:14 am)
And that's what smart people are looking for-safety.Thank you.
#11332 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [sweendogy]
Aug 11, 2010 (7:52 am)
sween, if I remember correctly, you have the 2008 G35, right? The 7AT in the 2009+ improves the mileage notably. The EPA rating for the 2010 G37 sedan is 19 city/27 highway. In real world, I can get 21 MPG average on 40/60 city/hwy. I think it is pretty good for a 328 HP performance sedan.
As to the 7-speed transmission, I did not experience the "gear hunting" some people mentioned here. In the "D" mode, it has adapted to my driving style and shifts at higher RPM than in the break-in period. Occasionally I will use the paddle-shifters to down shift for highway passing. IMO, the combination of 7AT and the paddle-shifter is about the best you can get -- short of manual tranny.
#11333 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [billyperks2]
Aug 11, 2010 (10:04 am)
billy, good comeback.. always insightful with tons of facts, smart people should also look at the sales numbers and performance numbers-- but i do agree with you that safety is important as well.
JTLA- yeah i have the old 5speed auto-- wish it had 2 more gears but cant justify trading in a car thats paid for and has no miles on it for extra 2-3 mpg.
#11334 of 16984 Re: will the real SLim Shady please stand up [sweendogy]
Aug 11, 2010 (11:26 am)
I respectfully disagree regarding performance of the TL against other premium performance sedans. My neighbor has a 2009 BMW 535 IX and I have driven his car and he has driven mine. Acceleration in a bit better in the BMW, but not much and my TL handles almost as well as his BMW. Now, am I saying that the TL is a better performing car, no. But it is fairly close. So to say that the TL is better compared to a Buick or Lincoln than a 5 Series is, in my opinion just not accurate.