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gas mileage G35 sedan by darrinzramz
Jun 13, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Hi need some answers if possible,I have a G35 sedan 2004,I've been using 87 octane in my car w/no problems at all.Seems to me when gas gauge reads full,I watch the gas gauge over the course of the week,and I notice it stays up near-full for the 1st 85-100 miles I put on the car,then all of the sudden the gas gauge seems to go down quite quickly from there.I'm medium on the gas on occasion I will get on it medium to slightly hard,it seems I'm only getting 15.6mi/gal,does that seem a bit much or not!!!????.Anyways I've change the plugs to a performance plug also I installed a K&N filter,there is no gas leaks what so ever!!!,any suggestions would be greatly appreciated,I also do use my cruise contol also,do mostly city driving though, not alot of stop and go,thanks Darrin Lynch
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [darrinzramz] by shipo
Jun 13, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: darrinzramz (Jun 13, 2008 8:32 am)

A few points:
 
1) Over the decades I've had dozens of cars that were from Asia, North America and Europe, and every one of them has exhibited the same gas gauge characteristics as your car (i.e. the needle is fairly stable for say 100 miles following a fill-up, and then it drops like a rock). This is totally normal as the level of fuel when "full" is typically above the top measurement range of the gauge sensor.
 
2) IIRC, Infiniti recommends "Premium" gasoline for your 2004 G35 engine (an engine well known for its poor fuel economy by the way), you should check your Owners Manual to be sure. Assuming that's the case, by running regular you are forcing the engine management system to retard the ignition timing to keep the engine from blowing itself to bits because of the low grade fuel you're feeding it. In turn, retarded ignition timing will further reduce the already marginal fuel economy of your engine.
 
3) Given how modern engine management systems work, it is physically impossible for a K&N filter to improve fuel economy. In fact, there is a fair amount of empirical evidence that suggests this type of a filter can reduce your economy.
 
4) Based upon the reports of other owners of your car, 15.6 mpg is not too far out of line for "mostly city driving".
 
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [shipo] by ghstudio
Jun 13, 2008 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 13, 2008 8:57 am)

The nissan/infiniti engine is one of the really solid engines...it's still the base for the current nissan/infiniti engines. It is not the most thrify on gas, neither is it the worst. It is possible that not using high test is effecting your mileage, but I've tried 93 octane and 87 octane in my 06 M35 and I've seen no difference in MPG or pep. A larger factor is ethanol in your gasoline (unavoidable today) which gives you less mpg then 100% gasoline. I doubt that octane is causing any problem in this engine however you can try three tanks of high test and see if you see any significant difference.
 
Fuel guage is what it is...I think it was the old BMW where they made the guage for the last 1/4 tank of gas almost 3/4 of the guage. It's rare that it matters how full the tank is when it shows full...but it really does matter when you're down to 1/8 a tank.
 
High performance plugs and "high efficiency" air cleaners do almost nothing in a modern engine. Actually, most all additives also do nothing, in fact most car makers recommend against using ANY additives in the car.
 
If you aren't driving aggressively, then about the only thing you can do that will really improve mileage is to turn off the A/C.
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [ghstudio] by circlew
Jun 13, 2008 (6:41 pm)
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Replying to: ghstudio (Jun 13, 2008 11:10 am)

I have the BMW 330xi and have religiously used premium gas as spec.
 
I get consistent 22 mpg tank to tank. Why you would use low octane on a higher performance engine is foreign to me.
 
My car weighs 3,700 lbs and still gets acceptable gas mileage on standard A/S tires because each month I regulate tire pressure and rotate the tires each 5K miles.
 
Tires last longer, wear even and get the best efficiency as a result.
 
It doesn't take much to get the specified MPG rating for your car if you are aware of the small details.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [circlew] by 1nickatnite1
Jun 13, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 13, 2008 6:41 pm)

I don't know about 04 g35s but with the current ones you cannot rotate the tires. 15.6 mpg does sound low but if it is mostly city driving and since you admit to driving with a "medium to heavy" foot it is not that surprising. Best gadget I've heard of for saving gas is the fuel "mizer?" (sorry not sure about the spelling) supposedly it will change your driving habits and increase your mileage up to 20%, hope this helps.
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [circlew] by blueguydotcom
Jun 13, 2008 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 13, 2008 6:41 pm)

It takes little effort to get better than the listed EPA numbers too.
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [shipo] by markcincinnati
Jun 14, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 13, 2008 8:57 am)

I read the post you replied to -- and I thought the number of posts pertaining to "false economy" would have somehow not been missed by this owner. I figured he must actually WANT to get poorer mileage AND poorer performance.
 
The inside of the filler door, the manual, the dealer techs, the salespeople, this board and a few other places have repeatedly explained about the compensation for lower grade fuel that these engines make -- and, of course, the way that it is handled is as you say shipo.
 
I leave for a few months and then come back for a look see and we're still talking about the same stuff. I find the search facility works just fine -- why would the car require premium fuel, tell you it requires premium fuel and then surprise you when it runs at less than its most efficient?
 
Wonder if there is a "glossary" somewhere here that would be like an FAQ page for folks -- sort of like:
 
Fuel requirements Regular, MidGrade & Premium
 
Oversteer
 
Understeer
 
Horsepower vs Torque: What we buy versus what we say we buy
 
Drive Bias: front, rear, neutral, all
 
Naturally aspirated, super charged, turbo charged, twin charged
 
And so on. . .
 
"Hey doc, it hurts when I do this. . ."
 
Doc: "Well then, don't do that. . ."
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Re: Audi still has problems [yjbeach] by markcincinnati
Jun 14, 2008 (7:41 am)
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Replying to: yjbeach (Jun 12, 2008 5:15 am)

My 2009 A4 has a build date of week 27. When it arrives several weeks later, it will be my 28th (or 27th or 29th) Audi. I have NEVER had an electrical problem -- other than a power window motor some time ago. I have never had an engine problem, never a transmission problem (other than the crappy tip-lag issue in the 5 speed auto -- and that was a software issue NOT a defect or hardware problem.)
 
I MAY have had a headlight or tail light burn out LAST CENTURY. I also had brake rotor warping issues in my 2001 A6.
 
My experience with over 2 dozen Audis is, statistically, probably not significant, but as an anecdote, it bears writing here perhaps to balance the "Audi still has problems. . ." Overall, I have no evidence that Audi still has problems. My '05 A6, soon to be gone, will be missed. In so many ways it is still ahead, by years, of the newest CTS -- if you could test drive these two cars back to back, the content and performance of the C6/A6 vs the CTS demonstrates this point. The amount of trouble with dozens of Audis has NOT been zero. It just has never been electrical as your post suggests.
 
Another corner heard from.
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Re: Audi still has problems [markcincinnati] by circlew
Jun 14, 2008 (8:10 am)
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Jun 14, 2008 7:41 am)

Here is some further indication underscoring your reality.
 
link title
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [1nickatnite1] by loucopits
Jun 14, 2008 (10:48 am)
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Replying to: 1nickatnite1 (Jun 13, 2008 8:44 pm)

By "mizer" I assume that is another word for "spouse".I.E. Slow down. Back off. Easy. etc.

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