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Re: Audi still has problems [yjbeach] by shipo
Jun 12, 2008 (5:20 am)
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Replying to: yjbeach (Jun 12, 2008 5:15 am)

One car, or even a couple of cars does not an indictment of an entire company make. I know lots of folks with Audis that haven't had a single electrical problem.
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Re: Audi still has problems [yjbeach] by alltorque
Jun 12, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: yjbeach (Jun 12, 2008 5:15 am)

Have three close friends with Audi's. An A8 3.0TDi, (with a gazillion toys fitted at the factory), an A3 2.0 TDi and an RS4 Avant. First two are 2 and 3 years old respectively. The A3 has 78k miles on it without any glitches, (he's trading it next Jan for an Audi TT TDi 'cos he heading for second childhood. The A8 has around 60k miles and has only suffered one glitch - two weeks ago the Audi satnav decided to stop working for 10 minutes whilst driving around the Paris Peripherique, (great place to lose satnav), but came back of its own accord. The RS4 is only 6 months old and no hiccups but same friend also has a Ferrari F355 which seems to go wrong on just about every trip...............to the extent that he's gonna sell it as he thinks the RS4 is a far better-built car, damn near as fast, far more useable and it doesn't attract the wrong sort of attention from the boy-racers or constabulary, (we have a couple of Subaru Imprezza WRX police cars locally which do send out a certain Clint Eatwood-esque message. "Ya feelin' lucky, punk?" or perhaps, "Make my day". Very entertaining though.
 
Other folk I know who've had Audi's swear by them - not at them. You've either got a or folks who don't know what they're doing with the diagnostics etc.
 
On the other hand I have a neighbour with a newish Mercedes C-class and he's either having an affaire with the Receptionist at the local Mercedes dealer or the car really is a dog. Just to balance that a near neighbour has one of the old, squarish, M-B S500's...........the one that just needs a big gun on the roof to complete the Main Battle Tank image, (it's even painted dark green metallic), and with 200k miles up it just keeps going but does have a drinking problem which is starting to hurt with gasoline here, (UK), at the equiv of $9+ per US Gallon.
 
As with all things electro-mechanical there are great examples and not-so-good ones. Isn't that part of the fun ?
 
Apologies for the long-winded response. Blame old age. Mine.
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Re: Audi still has problems [shipo] by sjaieve
Jun 13, 2008 (6:38 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 12, 2008 5:20 am)

If its coming down to a choice btwn IS250 & A4 2l turbo, I would also look at the TSX. You may lose AWD or RWD but its a pretty modern car which perfoms well and can be had at $32k fully loaded. I am not even into Acura's but the new TSX has quite a bit to offer
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Re: Audi still has problems [sjaieve] by shipo
Jun 13, 2008 (7:08 am)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Jun 13, 2008 6:38 am)

I've driven all three, and in spite of the fact that I value RWD over any other drivetrain, I'd rank the cars as follows:
 
1 - Audi A3 2.0T 6-Speed -- By far the most enjoyable the three to drive, and has the most rear seat space and the most utility as well given the mini-station wagon configuration.
 
2 - Acura TSX 6-Speed -- Fun to drive, lots of goodies (that I don't necessarily care about), and reasonable space in the back seat.
 
3 - Lexus IS250 RWD 6-Speed -- Extremely boring to drive with no "feel" of what's going on with the mechanicals or down on the road. This car also suffers from an anemic engine (at least until you wind it up even higher than the Acura's already high strung mill) and a back seat that is all but laughable. In every respect, this car is a very distant third of the three.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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gas mileage G35 sedan by darrinzramz
Jun 13, 2008 (8:32 am)
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Hi need some answers if possible,I have a G35 sedan 2004,I've been using 87 octane in my car w/no problems at all.Seems to me when gas gauge reads full,I watch the gas gauge over the course of the week,and I notice it stays up near-full for the 1st 85-100 miles I put on the car,then all of the sudden the gas gauge seems to go down quite quickly from there.I'm medium on the gas on occasion I will get on it medium to slightly hard,it seems I'm only getting 15.6mi/gal,does that seem a bit much or not!!!????.Anyways I've change the plugs to a performance plug also I installed a K&N filter,there is no gas leaks what so ever!!!,any suggestions would be greatly appreciated,I also do use my cruise contol also,do mostly city driving though, not alot of stop and go,thanks Darrin Lynch
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [darrinzramz] by shipo
Jun 13, 2008 (8:57 am)
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Replying to: darrinzramz (Jun 13, 2008 8:32 am)

A few points:
 
1) Over the decades I've had dozens of cars that were from Asia, North America and Europe, and every one of them has exhibited the same gas gauge characteristics as your car (i.e. the needle is fairly stable for say 100 miles following a fill-up, and then it drops like a rock). This is totally normal as the level of fuel when "full" is typically above the top measurement range of the gauge sensor.
 
2) IIRC, Infiniti recommends "Premium" gasoline for your 2004 G35 engine (an engine well known for its poor fuel economy by the way), you should check your Owners Manual to be sure. Assuming that's the case, by running regular you are forcing the engine management system to retard the ignition timing to keep the engine from blowing itself to bits because of the low grade fuel you're feeding it. In turn, retarded ignition timing will further reduce the already marginal fuel economy of your engine.
 
3) Given how modern engine management systems work, it is physically impossible for a K&N filter to improve fuel economy. In fact, there is a fair amount of empirical evidence that suggests this type of a filter can reduce your economy.
 
4) Based upon the reports of other owners of your car, 15.6 mpg is not too far out of line for "mostly city driving".
 
Sorry I couldn't be more helpful.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [shipo] by ghstudio
Jun 13, 2008 (11:10 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Jun 13, 2008 8:57 am)

The nissan/infiniti engine is one of the really solid engines...it's still the base for the current nissan/infiniti engines. It is not the most thrify on gas, neither is it the worst. It is possible that not using high test is effecting your mileage, but I've tried 93 octane and 87 octane in my 06 M35 and I've seen no difference in MPG or pep. A larger factor is ethanol in your gasoline (unavoidable today) which gives you less mpg then 100% gasoline. I doubt that octane is causing any problem in this engine however you can try three tanks of high test and see if you see any significant difference.
 
Fuel guage is what it is...I think it was the old BMW where they made the guage for the last 1/4 tank of gas almost 3/4 of the guage. It's rare that it matters how full the tank is when it shows full...but it really does matter when you're down to 1/8 a tank.
 
High performance plugs and "high efficiency" air cleaners do almost nothing in a modern engine. Actually, most all additives also do nothing, in fact most car makers recommend against using ANY additives in the car.
 
If you aren't driving aggressively, then about the only thing you can do that will really improve mileage is to turn off the A/C.
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [ghstudio] by circlew
Jun 13, 2008 (6:41 pm)
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Replying to: ghstudio (Jun 13, 2008 11:10 am)

I have the BMW 330xi and have religiously used premium gas as spec.
 
I get consistent 22 mpg tank to tank. Why you would use low octane on a higher performance engine is foreign to me.
 
My car weighs 3,700 lbs and still gets acceptable gas mileage on standard A/S tires because each month I regulate tire pressure and rotate the tires each 5K miles.
 
Tires last longer, wear even and get the best efficiency as a result.
 
It doesn't take much to get the specified MPG rating for your car if you are aware of the small details.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [circlew] by 1nickatnite1
Jun 13, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 13, 2008 6:41 pm)

I don't know about 04 g35s but with the current ones you cannot rotate the tires. 15.6 mpg does sound low but if it is mostly city driving and since you admit to driving with a "medium to heavy" foot it is not that surprising. Best gadget I've heard of for saving gas is the fuel "mizer?" (sorry not sure about the spelling) supposedly it will change your driving habits and increase your mileage up to 20%, hope this helps.
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Re: gas mileage G35 sedan [circlew] by blueguydotcom
Jun 13, 2008 (10:12 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Jun 13, 2008 6:41 pm)

It takes little effort to get better than the listed EPA numbers too.

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