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Replying to: tayl0rd (May 28, 2008 4:01 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (May 28, 2008 8:32 am) Here's a strange one for you. I test drove an M3 sedan and it's suspension actually felt softer than my 550i Sport!  (It didn't have the adjustable suspension.) Go figure! But boy was it precise in direction. And getting back in my 550i after the M3, I could really feel the heft of the 5-series over the 3-series. (Or 550i Sport over the M3, that is.)
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Check out the weight of one. Close to 2 tons. The reason it's quiet is because they have added several hundred pounds of materials to dampen it like a Buick or a Mercedes. Handling is nowhere as good as the 3 series a decade ago as a result of being 700lbs or so heavier. |
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Replying to: plekto (May 28, 2008 10:37 am) |
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Replying to: plekto (May 28, 2008 10:37 am)
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Replying to: sls002 (May 29, 2008 7:20 am)
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Replying to: plekto (May 29, 2008 2:56 pm) |
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Replying to: berad (Mar 11, 2008 7:14 am) For what its worth... CR's data has change - the IS250 RWD & IS350 have a CSAT of 78% the IS250 AWD is 72% and the A3 is now 78%
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Replying to: berad (Jun 06, 2008 5:06 am) Personally, I detested the IS (even the 350) and find the A3 allows us to do everything - pick up passengers, go on a run to home depot for larger items, smooth, effortless power. The handling's not as sharp as I would like and there's road noise from the cruddy all-season tires. Gas mileage, when I drive it, tends to be in the mid to high 20s. Outside of the RWD layout, which Lexus numbed down to the point that the car understeers like a FWD, I can't personally see the value in the far more expensive, less powerful, less useful IS250.
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Jun 06, 2008 6:15 am) Quality is a lot better in the Lexus. Forget the big items as the small stuff makes for greater frustration. I always had a few things in the Audi that needed to get addressed every service (broken small pieces, peeling of plastic coating, etc), but not with the Lexus. The Lexus is put together great. I know why they have loyalty because there are so few complaints on the small annoying things as the car ages. I guess that is why there are a lot of last gen Lexus driving around that people love. Service varies, but around South Florida, the Lexus experience is top shelf (better than Audi). I almost never have a list of little things to be addressed at the service intervals. The Audi feels sportier and has a roughness that reinforces that. The Lexus is serene and the quietness/plushness reinforces that. Both get old at times, but you have to decide your preference. I can't compare engines as my A4 Cab was heavy and did not perform any better than the IS250. I get great gas mileage and do not want any more HP in my car given fuel prices. With prices expected to hit $4.50 by end of July (premium - see record oil prices today and stock market plunge) I wouldn't mind giving up even more hp for even better gas mileage. The A3 is more versatile, but can't touch the Lexus for overall Luxury. Plus, the Lexus V6 is smooth and does have plenty of umph when needed. I loved the audi and await the A5 convertible, but unless you carry a lot of things that you need the A3 for space - I think the Lexus is the better choice. I was not inclined to keep the Audi out of warranty, but will not hesitate to keep the Lexus based on my personal experience.
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