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Saab is not much worse than Audi and is probably better than Volvo and VW. As long as you take your car to a good dealer (usually a Saab or European cars only dealership) or a good indy, you should be fine. Saab is more generous on warranty work too (what is covered). Saab is more a driver's car than Volvo, even a Volvo salesman admitted that (I went to a Saab/Volvo/Cad dealership to test drive a V6 9-3). They have a lot of incentives. If you get it at the right time, you can save several thousands (usually $3000-$5000. With this economy, there may be more). If you are buying a used European car, you may want to get a certified one. Parts and services could be expensive after the warranty expired.
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Replying to: r34 (Apr 22, 2008 12:52 pm) |
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Replying to: bfluegie (Apr 19, 2008 10:00 am) FYI, the BMW 3 series coupes are also available in AWD. I don't know if you're open to a small, fun to drive SUV, but you might want to look at the BMW X3. We went to the dealer with the idea of trading in my wife's '01 330Xi for a new, at that time, '06 330Xi, but she ended up getting the X3 and loves it. We find it a lot of fun to drive for a vehicle with it's capabilities. I once had an Explorer as a loaner, and the X3 is a very different kind of vehicle. Also, the X3 can be had with a manual. Bruce |
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2009 A4 2.0 TFSI Sedan quattro tiptronic Premium Plus Phantom Black Beige Leather Wood Interior Trim 19" Sport Package Navigation package with camera Audi Drive select Sun shades Going from a 2005 A6 3.2 with all the options except sunshades and sport suspension. . .read the pre reports, checked out a 2008 A6 (seemed identical to mine save for back up camera and SLine trim bits) -- my first four cylinder in my own vehicle since my 1980 4000S. Torque looks awesome, weight advantage of the 2.0 would seem a plus too. . . Also a pearl black car is a new for me too. 
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 24, 2008 7:45 am) I'm surprised you didn't go for the 6-cylinder... |
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 24, 2008 7:45 am) thought process of elimination? - Ray Just curious... |
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 Your wife's new X3 is a slushbox (as opposed to her '05 which was a 6-spped) and now you've ordered an A4 with a slushbox? You feelin' OK? Congrats & best of luck to you!
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Replying to: kyfdx (Apr 24, 2008 10:46 am) I had an allroad 2.7T and I had also had three Audi cars with the 4.2 V8 (one A8 and two A6's) -- so when it came time to order the allroad, I test drove another sort of similar car, an A6 2.7T. Torque rules. And in the example above, the V8 had 295 ft pounds of torque vs the V6's 258 ft pounds, yet the V6 was quicker because the torque came on (in the V6) at below 2,000 RPMs and the V8 didn't come up to full boil until north of 3500 RPMs. In this case, the new 2.0TFSI has 258 ft pounds, below 2000 rpms and the 3.2FSI has 243 at north of 3200 rpms -- this is a no brainer. The V6 IMHO is for the consumer who wants to talk about the 265HP V6 (despite its lower torque.) Had Audi offered the engine competing with the BMW 335 i6 turbo, well, that might have been a horse(power) of a different color. I believe the A4 2.0T will be the car of choice for about 10-12 months in the A4 family; the V6 being offered solely for marketing reasons ("wouldn't do," to have this car without a V6 in the brochure, kind of thing.) I may, but I doubt it, regret this decision. But the handling, mileage and performance of the 2.0TFSI should be superior in Cincinnati OH (where it will see most of its duty.) It will easily top any speed limit we have in these parts (just as easily as the V6) and its quickness, for a while at least, will be unequaled -- at least until the supercharged V6 comes out in a year or so. Another A6 3.2 certainly was an option -- but the new A4 will have a 110+" wheel base, the A6 is 111+" -- the balance, RWD biased quattro, sport package and other amenities and luxuries in the premium plus package makes the A4 2.0TFSI a "better" choice for someone who wants CTS style luxury (at least) and very BMW like performance and handling -- in a handsome package. Rationalization? Perhaps -- but there are just too many head to head (A4 vs A6) test reports and reviews of this new A4 to make me wonder "who in their right mind would pay MORE for less?" -- and that seems to make the case in favor of the A4 (B8) 2.0T with "all the option boxes ticked off -- except ACC." So, we'll see how much under $50K this comes out to be -- and hopefully I will not regret not going with my second choice: the new Infiniti G37X 4 door sedan. FWIW, my dealer says this car should be comparable in MSRP to the outgoing model + about $2,000 for the Audi Drive Select and a "few hundred" more for the addition of a backup camera. Time will tell -- and I WILL share the good, the bad and the expensive with y'all. 
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Replying to: nyccarguy (Apr 24, 2008 7:51 pm) I virtually hated my automatic (5 speed tiptronic) transmissions in my previous Audis -- love the automatic in my 2005 A6 3.2. I drive some 15+ miles to work most of it on I275/I71 in Cincinnati. When I am in any "fun place" to drive the stick, the traffic is often all tangled up. With automatics THIS good -- I rarely miss the sticks. I did test drive a new S5 -- wheeeeeeeee -- now THAT was a blast. But truth be told, the same pain in the butt traffic issues would apply even with that one. I have officially joined the ranks of those who, while I did not kill the stick shift, certainly are preventing its resurection. To those of you who won't go shiftless, I apologize -- I am keenly aware of your pain (past tense.)  I would have loved a 7speed DSG even more, I'm sure -- just not avail this time. Also not this time, torque vectoring, which I would have PAID extra for.
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Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 26, 2008 8:50 am) I have to say the world is getting smaller a car like the S5 with such power but where to drive when u will be stuck in traffic  Congrats on your new car. I want to get a car I really like the A4 but I am more interested to get an SUV I like the Q5 but I wish audi would consider yet bringing another SUV perhaps a Q6 in the near future, My friend he is interested to get the A4 but he has a big problem his decisioncan changes within a second !!!
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