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#10964 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [circlew] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) I will respecfully widthdraw this candidate Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10965 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by mz6greyghost Apr 15, 2008 (3:56 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) Why?   Just because two "contributors" don't like the car, it doesn't mean that we should NOT talk about the Saab here.   AFAIC, the Saab is considered a competitor in this category, and so does just about every other automotive source that's out there. They may not like it, but it's out there, offering similar performance and items/features, for a similar price. Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10966 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [mz6greyghost] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) It starts at 42k, there are only sending 600 to the US, is only available in black. If it were a mass car like everything else in ELLPS I would have happily proceeded with the argument but I cant just do that for the sake of it.   I like the way you think though
#10967 of 11073 Saab Turbo X by fedlawman Apr 15, 2008 (8:55 pm)
Woot! The Bimmerphiles win again
#10968 of 11073 Saab TurboX by r34 Apr 16, 2008 (8:36 am)
Actually Saab is not big. It may not have the good handling as the Bimmer's and it may not have good interior as the Audi's. However, it is a nice overall package. It gives you a taste of European car with an Accord price (after all incentives). It belongs to highway. The turbo is amazing. You can feel safe driving it with triple digits (like most European cars). You can drive some cars in triple digits but you will not feel safe because they were not built for autobahnn speed.   I don't trust certain car reviews. People need to test drive the cars.
#10969 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [plekto] by alltorque Apr 16, 2008 (10:24 am)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm) Inline engines also have much less mechanical complexity. V engines are a design nightmare - angles and extra connecting rods and multiple camshafts and...    That adds weight as well. And worsens efficiency. So as a result, you can make a smaller I-6 than a V6 and get the same results. So often, you can fit the I-6 in the car as well as a V6.   Forgive me for being pedantic but why would a V6 need more connecting rods than an I6 ? Also, don't forget that you make make a shorter, (in length and lose a little height), engine in V6 than of the same bore I6.............can see some benefits there. Of course Flat 6's are even better, albeit rather rare. Subaru and Porsche being the only ones that come to mind in current production.   No particular preference for V or I - just like 6's in general and 5 cylinder diesels in particular, (yes, I know, it's my age ). Replies to this message: tayl0rd (Apr 17, 2008 4:54 am) alltorque (Apr 17, 2008 6:18 am) cdnpinhead (Apr 17, 2008 5:10 pm) plekto (Apr 17, 2008 3:44 pm) shipo (Apr 17, 2008 8:13 pm) and 4 more... louiswei (Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am) sjaieve (Apr 17, 2008 7:58 am)
#10970 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [alltorque] by tayl0rd Apr 17, 2008 (4:54 am)
Replying to: alltorque (Apr 16, 2008 10:24 am) Forgive me for being pedantic but why would a V6 need more connecting rods than an I6 ? ...   It doesn't. Six cylinders are six cylinders. He was just spitting out parts trying feverishly to prove an I6 is better than a V6 without even considering what those parts are or what they do. Replies to this message: alltorque (Apr 17, 2008 6:18 am) cdnpinhead (Apr 17, 2008 5:10 pm) plekto (Apr 17, 2008 3:44 pm) shipo (Apr 17, 2008 8:13 pm) laurasdada (Apr 18, 2008 10:31 am) and 3 more...
#10971 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [tayl0rd] by alltorque Apr 17, 2008 (6:18 am)
Replying to: tayl0rd (Apr 17, 2008 4:54 am) Ah, so it wasn't just an old Brit missing something, then. That's reassuring.   My first car was a 1956 Vauxhall Velox - sort of U.K. take on an early-50's Chevy something; all rounded and nice. That had a 2262cc I6 that pumped out a mind-blowing 59bhp, (but a fair bit of torque), and was coupled to a 3M 'box. First was so low that you could use it for pulling up tree stumps. Even that amount of power could embarass the cross-ply tyres of the day. All black body, lots of chrome and a carnation pink & white interior, (2 x 3 seat benches), plus valve radio. You could definitely see the GM influence. Happy days. Replies to this message: cdnpinhead (Apr 17, 2008 5:10 pm)
#10972 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [alltorque] by louiswei Apr 17, 2008 (7:26 am)
Replying to: alltorque (Apr 16, 2008 10:24 am) I don't have any preference either, as long as a 6-banger gives me 300+ hp then I am good. I prefer NA but I'll take an almost-turbo-lag-less twin turbo 6 as well. Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 17, 2008 7:58 am)
#10973 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [louiswei] by sjaieve Apr 17, 2008 (7:58 am)
Replying to: louiswei (Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am) I prefer 300+ horses with a nice price tag and a respectable 0-60 & 1/4 mile. All I need to know about the engine copmonents is there are reliable, nothing more

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