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#10960 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by blueguydotcom Apr 14, 2008 (11:10 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 14, 2008 7:32 pm) Edmunds Saab Turbo X write-up:   http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124967   Yes, it's a FWD-bias Haldex system - ie garbage.   3800 lbs.   And that legendary saab performance. Oh right, it's a saab... Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am) circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) and 2 more...
#10961 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [blueguydotcom] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (5:34 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 14, 2008 11:10 pm) Gosh, you are merciless. I will read the article and see what edmunds says. I think its a fair attempt by SAAB though Replies to this message: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) and 1 more...
#10962 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [plekto] by sls002 Apr 15, 2008 (6:17 am)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm) GM does have on OHC truck I6 that was used on the mid-size SUVs. So GM has an inline six that is a recent design, but it was not design for cars. I think that the torque and power output of an engine is related to the size of the engine and an inline engine does not have more torque just because it is an inline.   The 87 Park Avenue was bigger than the current 3-series which is just a heavy.
#10963 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by circlew Apr 15, 2008 (12:15 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am) I disagree...even compared to the CTS, this car is low grade and should not be in ELLPS category, IMHO.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10964 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [circlew] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) I will respecfully widthdraw this candidate Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10965 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by mz6greyghost Apr 15, 2008 (3:56 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) Why?   Just because two "contributors" don't like the car, it doesn't mean that we should NOT talk about the Saab here.   AFAIC, the Saab is considered a competitor in this category, and so does just about every other automotive source that's out there. They may not like it, but it's out there, offering similar performance and items/features, for a similar price. Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10966 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [mz6greyghost] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) It starts at 42k, there are only sending 600 to the US, is only available in black. If it were a mass car like everything else in ELLPS I would have happily proceeded with the argument but I cant just do that for the sake of it.   I like the way you think though
#10967 of 11073 Saab Turbo X by fedlawman Apr 15, 2008 (8:55 pm)
Woot! The Bimmerphiles win again
#10968 of 11073 Saab TurboX by r34 Apr 16, 2008 (8:36 am)
Actually Saab is not big. It may not have the good handling as the Bimmer's and it may not have good interior as the Audi's. However, it is a nice overall package. It gives you a taste of European car with an Accord price (after all incentives). It belongs to highway. The turbo is amazing. You can feel safe driving it with triple digits (like most European cars). You can drive some cars in triple digits but you will not feel safe because they were not built for autobahnn speed.   I don't trust certain car reviews. People need to test drive the cars.
#10969 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [plekto] by alltorque Apr 16, 2008 (10:24 am)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm) Inline engines also have much less mechanical complexity. V engines are a design nightmare - angles and extra connecting rods and multiple camshafts and...    That adds weight as well. And worsens efficiency. So as a result, you can make a smaller I-6 than a V6 and get the same results. So often, you can fit the I-6 in the car as well as a V6.   Forgive me for being pedantic but why would a V6 need more connecting rods than an I6 ? Also, don't forget that you make make a shorter, (in length and lose a little height), engine in V6 than of the same bore I6.............can see some benefits there. Of course Flat 6's are even better, albeit rather rare. Subaru and Porsche being the only ones that come to mind in current production.   No particular preference for V or I - just like 6's in general and 5 cylinder diesels in particular, (yes, I know, it's my age ). Replies to this message: tayl0rd (Apr 17, 2008 4:54 am) alltorque (Apr 17, 2008 6:18 am) cdnpinhead (Apr 17, 2008 5:10 pm) plekto (Apr 17, 2008 3:44 pm) shipo (Apr 17, 2008 8:13 pm) and 4 more... louiswei (Apr 17, 2008 7:26 am) sjaieve (Apr 17, 2008 7:58 am)

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