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#10959 of 11073 SAAB Turbo X by sjaieve Apr 14, 2008 (7:32 pm)
Might as well make room for this car in this segment. I havent seen what else it has to offer but it will slaughter a lot of the pseudo ELLPS. 295 pound feet of torque, pretty impressive. Replies to this message: blueguydotcom (Apr 14, 2008 11:10 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am) circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) and 3 more...
#10960 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by blueguydotcom Apr 14, 2008 (11:10 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 14, 2008 7:32 pm) Edmunds Saab Turbo X write-up:   http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124967   Yes, it's a FWD-bias Haldex system - ie garbage.   3800 lbs.   And that legendary saab performance. Oh right, it's a saab... Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am) circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) and 2 more...
#10961 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [blueguydotcom] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (5:34 am)
Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 14, 2008 11:10 pm) Gosh, you are merciless. I will read the article and see what edmunds says. I think its a fair attempt by SAAB though Replies to this message: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) and 1 more...
#10962 of 11073 Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [plekto] by sls002 Apr 15, 2008 (6:17 am)
Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm) GM does have on OHC truck I6 that was used on the mid-size SUVs. So GM has an inline six that is a recent design, but it was not design for cars. I think that the torque and power output of an engine is related to the size of the engine and an inline engine does not have more torque just because it is an inline.   The 87 Park Avenue was bigger than the current 3-series which is just a heavy.
#10963 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by circlew Apr 15, 2008 (12:15 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am) I disagree...even compared to the CTS, this car is low grade and should not be in ELLPS category, IMHO.   Regards, OW Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10964 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [circlew] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (1:13 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm) I will respecfully widthdraw this candidate Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10965 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by mz6greyghost Apr 15, 2008 (3:56 pm)
Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm) Why?   Just because two "contributors" don't like the car, it doesn't mean that we should NOT talk about the Saab here.   AFAIC, the Saab is considered a competitor in this category, and so does just about every other automotive source that's out there. They may not like it, but it's out there, offering similar performance and items/features, for a similar price. Replies to this message: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 4:32 pm)
#10966 of 11073 Re: SAAB Turbo X [mz6greyghost] by sjaieve Apr 15, 2008 (4:32 pm)
Replying to: mz6greyghost (Apr 15, 2008 3:56 pm) It starts at 42k, there are only sending 600 to the US, is only available in black. If it were a mass car like everything else in ELLPS I would have happily proceeded with the argument but I cant just do that for the sake of it.   I like the way you think though
#10967 of 11073 Saab Turbo X by fedlawman Apr 15, 2008 (8:55 pm)
Woot! The Bimmerphiles win again
#10968 of 11073 Saab TurboX by r34 Apr 16, 2008 (8:36 am)
Actually Saab is not big. It may not have the good handling as the Bimmer's and it may not have good interior as the Audi's. However, it is a nice overall package. It gives you a taste of European car with an Accord price (after all incentives). It belongs to highway. The turbo is amazing. You can feel safe driving it with triple digits (like most European cars). You can drive some cars in triple digits but you will not feel safe because they were not built for autobahnn speed.   I don't trust certain car reviews. People need to test drive the cars.

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