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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Lexus IS 250, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Tii version of 3 series by fphjr01
Apr 14, 2008 (9:26 am)
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I liked the comment about how "an increase in boost pressure should bring the hp from 300 to 355". This is interesting, considering that many of the available reviews on the 335's performance have indicated that the book 300hp claim is very likely low-balling the actual output.
 
What a perfect idea -- make a 335 tii version, claim that there is 55 more hp than the standard engine (when it's actually exactly the same), and charge $5000 more for the 'modification'.
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [sls002] by plekto
Apr 14, 2008 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: sls002 (Apr 14, 2008 8:36 am)

Inline engines also have much less mechanical complexity. V engines are a design nightmare - angles and extra connecting rods and multiple camshafts and...
 
That adds weight as well. And worsens efficiency. So as a result, you can make a smaller I-6 than a V6 and get the same results. So often, you can fit the I-6 in the car as well as a V6.
 
But GM and Ford never really designed I-6 engines - at least not recently. So they trudge along with their overly complex V engines. BMW and Mercedes started out with inline engines and still use a lot of them.
 
As for the weight, 3400lbs is just about what my 87 Buick Park Ave weighed. That's hideously bloated for such a small car. It should be closer to 2600lbs.
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Re: Tii version of 3 series [fphjr01] by blueguydotcom
Apr 14, 2008 (5:58 pm)
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Replying to: fphjr01 (Apr 14, 2008 9:26 am)

You can get that with a Dinan mod for 2k.
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SAAB Turbo X by sjaieve
Apr 14, 2008 (7:32 pm)
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Might as well make room for this car in this segment. I havent seen what else it has to offer but it will slaughter a lot of the pseudo ELLPS. 295 pound feet of torque, pretty impressive.
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Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by blueguydotcom
Apr 14, 2008 (11:10 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 14, 2008 7:32 pm)

Edmunds Saab Turbo X write-up:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/insideline/do/Drives/FirstDrives/articleId=124967
 
Yes, it's a FWD-bias Haldex system - ie garbage.
 
3800 lbs.
 
And that legendary saab performance. Oh right, it's a saab...
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Re: SAAB Turbo X [blueguydotcom] by sjaieve
Apr 15, 2008 (5:34 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 14, 2008 11:10 pm)

Gosh, you are merciless. I will read the article and see what edmunds says. I think its a fair attempt by SAAB though
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [plekto] by sls002
Apr 15, 2008 (6:17 am)
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Replying to: plekto (Apr 14, 2008 1:52 pm)

GM does have on OHC truck I6 that was used on the mid-size SUVs. So GM has an inline six that is a recent design, but it was not design for cars. I think that the torque and power output of an engine is related to the size of the engine and an inline engine does not have more torque just because it is an inline.
 
The 87 Park Avenue was bigger than the current 3-series which is just a heavy.
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Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by circlew
Apr 15, 2008 (12:15 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 5:34 am)

I disagree...even compared to the CTS, this car is low grade and should not be in ELLPS category, IMHO.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: SAAB Turbo X [circlew] by sjaieve
Apr 15, 2008 (1:13 pm)
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 15, 2008 12:15 pm)

I will respecfully widthdraw this candidate
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Re: SAAB Turbo X [sjaieve] by mz6greyghost
Apr 15, 2008 (3:56 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 15, 2008 1:13 pm)

Why?
 
Just because two "contributors" don't like the car, it doesn't mean that we should NOT talk about the Saab here.
 
AFAIC, the Saab is considered a competitor in this category, and so does just about every other automotive source that's out there. They may not like it, but it's out there, offering similar performance and items/features, for a similar price.

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