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Re: 2009 335tii?? [circlew] by fedlawman
Apr 11, 2008 (6:01 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Apr 11, 2008 4:56 am)

I don't want more HP, I want less weight.
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Re: 2009 335tii?? [fedlawman] by rascal99
Apr 11, 2008 (7:04 am)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Apr 11, 2008 6:01 am)

Just give us the *&^%# 1-series hatchback already!!
 
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Another vote for less weight on the sedan by blueguydotcom
Apr 11, 2008 (7:09 am)
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Drop the heavy stuff - sunroof, 19 inch wheels, power seats, insulation, worthless gizmos (self drying brakes, dual hvac, auto windshield wipers) and finally ditch the metal fenders for plastics.Maybe they can get 150-200 lbs out of the car. Finally, ditch the inline 6 for a twin turbo 4, and lose another 200-300 lbs. Ah, now you've got a fun sedan at 3100 lbs.
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [blueguydotcom] by rascal99
Apr 11, 2008 (7:25 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 11, 2008 7:09 am)

+1
 
I propose BMW spawn a separate (tii) division that caters to lighter, funner cars; howeber, that would undoubtedly be seen as *gasp* "diluting the brand".
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [rascal99] by sjaieve
Apr 11, 2008 (8:20 am)
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Replying to: rascal99 (Apr 11, 2008 7:25 am)

The 335i already kicks the competition's a** as far as perfomance, why are they duplicating efforts with the tii?
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [sjaieve] by blueguydotcom
Apr 11, 2008 (11:51 am)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 11, 2008 8:20 am)

Because the 335i has zero appeal to enthusiasts. BMW doesn't make a car that caters to people who want fun and light.
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [blueguydotcom] by sjaieve
Apr 11, 2008 (12:00 pm)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Apr 11, 2008 11:51 am)

Isn't that what the 1 series is meant to achieve. The tii based on the 3 series with 350 hp is just going to cannibalize on the M3, isnt that where the higher margins are? The 135i will probably do the same for the 335i.
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [sjaieve] by fedlawman
Apr 11, 2008 (12:13 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Apr 11, 2008 12:00 pm)

The 1-series is what the 3-series should have been in the first place. It could stand to go on a diet too...
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [fedlawman] by roadburner
Apr 11, 2008 (6:28 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Apr 11, 2008 12:13 pm)

Amen.
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Re: Another vote for less weight on the sedan [fedlawman] by circlew
Apr 11, 2008 (7:05 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Apr 11, 2008 12:13 pm)

But at less than 3,400 lbs, it's not that bad, is it? Considering all cars seem to have spent too much time at the drive-thru, I think it is worth considering this chassis could be trimmed to around 3,200 lbs under true tii engineering.
 
I don't know...you guys know better than I. What else is available new at a 135i level of return (to a true enthusiast bent) in the market today? Yes, the argument for past BMW marvels aside, what is comparable today? Sooner or later, the old stands down to the creativity of tomorrow.
 
Lancer EVO? STI? IS-F? RS-4?
 
All these are "Super Size Me Please" variants of the past also. Is the 1'er the best of the worst for precision driving dynamics at the end of the day or a last-ditch effort to entice the past audience back into the show?
 
Regards,
OW

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