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#10821 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by sjaieve Mar 18, 2008 (9:13 am)
Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 17, 2008 8:28 pm) If I am offered this Buick for $5,000 (five thousand), fully loaded and brand new, I would pass on it.
#10822 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by sjaieve Mar 18, 2008 (9:20 am)
Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 18, 2008 6:30 am) Dude. Like some of the other so-called "experts" that post in this forum, you don't know what you're talking about. The Super's 0-60 time is 5.7 seconds, and its top speed is 155mph, making it the fastest Buick ever   I remember being blasted on this forum for prioritizing track times over handling and driving dynamics. Had I gone this low, I dont think so
#10823 of 11073 Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by tayl0rd Mar 18, 2008 (11:21 am)
Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 17, 2008 5:55 pm) Wow. You must've beaten it up pretty badly. I drove a brand new one way back in the day, and it was as quiet as a tomb. I had a '94 Corolla (loved that car!) and you'd never guess that it and the Prizm were "twins." The Corolla exhibited mucho road noise, and the Prizm of the same era was smooth and quiet.
#10824 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by louiswei Mar 18, 2008 (12:28 pm)
Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 18, 2008 6:30 am) making it the fastest Buick ever.   That, my friend, really doesn't help your case at all...   Anyway, the Lexus ISX50 is the Buick in this group according to some people so your beloved LaX is out of luck (and spot) what-so-ever. Replies to this message: shipo (Mar 18, 2008 12:39 pm) alltorque (Mar 19, 2008 12:49 pm) louiswei (Mar 19, 2008 1:04 pm) and 15 more... adamr001 (Mar 18, 2008 12:45 pm) plekto (Mar 18, 2008 2:31 pm) adamr001 (Mar 18, 2008 3:15 pm)
#10825 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [louiswei] by shipo Mar 18, 2008 (12:39 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Mar 18, 2008 12:28 pm) He-he. While I'm rarely in a position to say nice things about the IS, I think in this case the IS250 will handilly beat a LaCrosse Super around a track, in spite of its 96 HP disadvantage. The IS350 on the other hand will literally run away and hide from the Buick, probably as quickly as the first turn.   Best Regards, Shipo Replies to this message: alltorque (Mar 19, 2008 12:49 pm) louiswei (Mar 19, 2008 1:04 pm) jpstax1 (Mar 19, 2008 2:45 pm) and 14 more...
#10826 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [louiswei] by adamr001 Mar 18, 2008 (12:45 pm)
Replying to: louiswei (Mar 18, 2008 12:28 pm) Uh, fastest buick ever? Don't make me laugh. Ever heard of a Grand National? How about GNX? Oops, I laughed. Replies to this message: plekto (Mar 18, 2008 2:31 pm) adamr001 (Mar 18, 2008 3:15 pm)
#10827 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [adamr001] by plekto Mar 18, 2008 (2:31 pm)
Replying to: adamr001 (Mar 18, 2008 12:45 pm) Uh, fastest Buick ever? Don't make me laugh. Ever heard of a Grand National? How about GNX? Oops, I laughed.   And the LaCrosse Super, just like the the GNX, is a muscle car. Great in a straight line, but that's it.   A Sports Sedan/Coupe is: RWD or AWD. Manual available. As close to 3000lbs as possible. An emphasis on handling over straight line performance and HP.   Buick is: FWD. Automatic only. Nearly 4000lbs. Insanely powerful and overbuilt.   It's a muscle car. Is it any surprise considering what company made it? GM groks muscle cars, after all.   Compare it to a Impreza, RX-8, or GLI. (yes, these aren't luxury, though they are the essence of sporty). Dropping in leather and a bigger engine - that's Mercedes trick. And it's a complete dead-end as they've found with their E Class(which is a Taxi in Europe. Nobody in Germany buys one for personal use) Replies to this message: adamr001 (Mar 18, 2008 3:15 pm)
#10828 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [plekto] by adamr001 Mar 18, 2008 (3:15 pm)
Replying to: plekto (Mar 18, 2008 2:31 pm) I was merely refuting the fastest Buick line. It's definitely not a sports car and is soundly in the muscle car range as you rightly pointed out.
#10829 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [circlew] by jpstax1 Mar 18, 2008 (11:23 pm)
Replying to: circlew (Mar 18, 2008 6:44 am) He drove it into the wall? That reviewer must be an incompetent moron. BTW, for every negative review, there's a positive one, such as this one:   http://www.caranddriver.com/reviews/hot_lists/high_performance/features_classic_- cars/the_quickest_sedans_of_2008_30_000_to_40_000_feature+page-4.html Replies to this message: mz6greyghost (Mar 19, 2008 3:28 am) shipo (Mar 19, 2008 3:51 am) sjaieve (Mar 19, 2008 6:56 am) circlew (Mar 19, 2008 7:30 am) ivan_99 (Mar 19, 2008 11:13 am) tayl0rd (Mar 19, 2008 11:20 am) and 1 more...
#10830 of 11073 Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by mz6greyghost Mar 19, 2008 (3:28 am)
Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 18, 2008 11:23 pm) Gimme a break!   It’s no GNX, and 20 years later, it is almost a second slower to 60 mph.   ...if not for the omnipresent torque steer, it might drive better than many Lexuses,   The question is... which ones? I'll guess they did NOT mean the IS.   The LaCrosse Super wasn’t designed to be a sports sedan, with all the comparisons that invites, and is instead billed as a “luxury touring sedan.”   Hence the reason why it doesn't belong in this category.   The 300 horsepower and the 323 pound-feet of torque will whisk upsold octogenarians to 60 mph in 5.7 seconds, if the torque steer at launch doesn’t snap their calcium-depleted wrists.   High praise indeed...

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