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Thanks blueguy by pcampos
Mar 16, 2008 (8:44 pm)
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I've noticed the TSXs don't seem to depreciate much at all in the first 2-3 years. I also understand that a redesigned model is coming out in a couple of months. So maybe I should be looking at something around five years old? It's tempting to lease, which I've never done, but since I'm a low mileage driver and am pretty easy on cars in general maybe it makes more sense to own something used for three years and hope it doesn't depreciate much in the interim.
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Don't buy foreign cars! by jpstax1
Mar 16, 2008 (9:08 pm)
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Instead buy a Buick LaCrosse Super. It has all the features of most of the entry level foreign-made cars for a lot less money. Test drive one if you don't believe me.
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Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by shipo
Mar 16, 2008 (9:34 pm)
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Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 16, 2008 9:08 pm)

I assume that you're joking. Yes, no? Ain't no way a Buick anything should be mentioned in the same breath with any of the cars categorized as "Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans".
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: First-time poster looking for advice [pcampos] by cdnpinhead
Mar 17, 2008 (4:58 am)
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Replying to: pcampos (Mar 16, 2008 8:14 pm)

". . .Acura TSX and the Audi 3. . ."
 
Since I decided I could tolerate FWD this time around, I ended up looking at exactly those two cars. Since the RWD choices may improve over the next few years, I wanted something that wouldn't depreciate horribly over a 3-4 year period. I went with the TSX, and that'd probably be your best bet as well -- Audi depreciation is nothing to write home about. Going used, as has been suggested, is the only way to keep the payment as low as you want it.
 
Honda depreciation is amazingly low; I'm shopping for a car for my mother-in-law, and Civic vs. Corolla used car prices have to be seen to be believed. A 1-2 year older Civic with 40-50K more miles sells for the same money as a newer much less used Corolla. Audi isn't even in the same ballpark.
 
You'll enjoy either car, by the way. The TSX is working out nicely; it's meant to be an interim solution, but if I bond with it in a big way, I may still be driving it in 8 years, as I did my last car. I've driven rental A3s in Europe & really loved them. I did serious Audi research, going back seven years, as a result.
 
Let us know how this turns out.
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After market head unit in my 2003 Acura TL Type S by ucal
Mar 17, 2008 (9:31 am)
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Can I install Alpine after market head unit in my 2003 Acura TL Type S ?
What installation kit is needed ? and what are the pros and cons of installing such a head unit ?
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Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by tayl0rd
Mar 17, 2008 (9:53 am)
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Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 14, 2008 7:34 am)

... (instead of my previous car, a 1993 Geo Prizm)
 
Nothing wrong with a '93 Prizm. I had a '92 back in '93. Wanted a '93, but was duped by the salesman. (Oh, the joys of youth and inexperience!) Anyway, Motor Trend wrote of the '93 Prizm that it was Lexus-like in it's quietness. I drove one and agreed whole-heartedly. How has yours held up? Is it still quite and smooth?
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Re: Price Reduction [tayl0rd] by jeffmo2334
Mar 17, 2008 (5:55 pm)
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Replying to: tayl0rd (Mar 17, 2008 9:53 am)

It has been a great car for me -- the engine is still very smooth, and the transmission is also OK. In 14 years, I have only had one repair issue (electrical). It has been a GREAT car, and also gets very good gas mileage (28mpg in mixed driving).
 
It is not quiet -- my main complaint about this car has been the plastic inside is very cheap, so all of the door handles are cracked or broken, several knobs have broken, etc. When it runs, it has lots of rattles, and is noisy with all of the vibrating plastic. Also, 3 of the 4 rims are slightly bent, so that also makes the ride quite rough.
 
It only has 116k miles, so I wouldn't be surprised to see the engine/transmission to last another 60k or 70k miles at least. I will sell it to someone fully confident that it will be a good car for them. Do you want to buy it? Just kidding.
 
Jeff
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Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [shipo] by jpstax1
Mar 17, 2008 (8:28 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 16, 2008 9:34 pm)

The LaX Super IS categorized as a "luxury performance sedan". And it IS head and shoulders above any other 2008 Buick LaX. However, a Caddy, Lexus, BMW, or Mercedes it is not. But, it's a great performance sedan at a bargain price, with a lot of the same equipment and amenities found in higher priced sedans:
 
http://www.edmunds.com/new/2008/buick/lacrosse/100900863/researchlanding.html
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Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [jpstax1] by shipo
Mar 17, 2008 (8:52 pm)
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Replying to: jpstax1 (Mar 17, 2008 8:28 pm)

Dude, put that pig on a track and its lap times will be absolutely laughable compared to each of the cars that actually are in this class. It seems that you think that by taking a large FWD sled and then dropping in a big motor and slapping on some sticky rubber, it will suddenly be transformed into a "Sports Sedan". Sorry to be the bearer of bad tidings, but the LaCrosse doesn't even come close to meeting the criteria as a Sports Sedan.
 
If you don't believe me that the LaCrosse doesn't measure up, that's fine, consult the car comparison web site of your choice and look at the cars the "experts" think the Buick competes with. My bet is that you'll see a list that looks something like the following:
 
 - Chevy Impala
 - Chrysler 300
 - Dodge Charger
 - Ford Tarus
 - Honda Accord
 - Hyundai Sonata
 - Kia Optima
 - Mazda Mazda6
 - Mercury Sable
 - Mitsubishi Galant
 - Nissan Altima
 - Saturn Aura
 - Subaru Legacy
 - Toyota Camry
 
Not exactly a thrilling list of car that one would want to go "sporting" with now is it.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Don't buy foreign cars! [shipo] by circlew
Mar 18, 2008 (3:07 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 17, 2008 8:52 pm)

Exactly right! At least I am getting some enjoyment from the US cars now that I gave up on them.
 
Take a modified LaCross and carry some speed, let's say 40 mph, into a switch back turn and you will be out of your misery once and for all!
 

 
Regards,
OW

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