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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Lexus IS 250, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Price Reduction [adamr001] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: adamr001 (Mar 14, 2008 7:38 am)

To be sure, for any given car, if you keep your foot out of it, it will deliver better fuel economy, however, some cars are still more adept at getting better mileage than others, and in this class of cars, the G35 seems to consistently deliver the worst fuel economy.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by adamr001
Mar 14, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:47 am)

Oh, I didn't say that it didn't. The G35 is more sports car than performance luxury sedan.
 
It's just that I can make my G35 hit 20mpg in mixed driving or I can make it hit 17mpg. All by how I keep my foot on / off the pedal. On the highway, under cruise, I have no problems hitting 27mpg. Without cruise I run about 23mpg.
 
To be sure, the G35 isn't a fuel efficient vehicle.
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:47 am)

I think that all who look into this issue will unanimously agree that the G35 tends to get worse gas mileage than the TL -- by 2-3 mpg or so. One must weigh this into the decision they are making -- if an individual likes the G35 better, they need to ask themselves whether they like it "enough better" to pay a little more for gas.
 
I drive about 800 miles/month, so for me the difference of 2-3 mpg means about an extra 4.5-6 gallons of gas a month, which at current prices here in Houston ($3.20/gal for 93 octane), is about $14 to $19 a month. For me, I liked the G35 at least that much more than the TL, so I don't mind paying the extra gas $$. Even if gas goes up to $4/gallon, the difference will be $20-$24 per month, and I am still OK with that difference.
 
If all else was equal and I liked the TL just as much as the G35, then I would clearly have chosen it for the better gas mileage.
 
Mileage is definitely a factor to consider, and each individual has to weight each factor by their own relative utilities.
 
Jeff
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Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (8:49 am)
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Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 14, 2008 8:09 am)

Yeah, well I guess my comments were colored by the fact that I often drive 800 in a single week (with 500 being typical). There is no doubt that if the montly mileage isn't huge, even gas for a Hummer won't be significant.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (8:58 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 8:49 am)

Yes, driving that much, the price difference is much larger ($50-80 a month or so).
 
But the thought of driving my G for 500 miles a week makes me smile!
 
Jeff
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Will Choices Change ? by alltorque
Mar 14, 2008 (9:08 am)
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I wonder if the choices/preferences posted here will change once you guys get the full range of Euro/Japanese diesels. Will the modern torquey oil-burners sway you away from your current picks, I wonder ? M-B, VW/Audi, BMW, Volvo etc have some excellent diesels. My favourite is possibly the Audi 4.2 V8 TDi as fitted to the Q7 SUV - 322bhp and 561lbft according the mag I'm looking at. Or you could have the VW 5.0 V10 from the Touareg 309bhp/554lbft but I'd still go for the 4.2.
 
Would be interested in your views.
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Re: Will Choices Change ? [alltorque] by adamr001
Mar 14, 2008 (10:13 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Mar 14, 2008 9:08 am)

Doubtful, for me at least. Diesel pumps are harder and harder to find in the city. Easy to find in small towns / on the highway, but hard in-town. When I had a Cummins I routinely had to travel 15-30 minutes out of my way to get fuel. Not keen on doing that again.
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Re: Will Choices Change ? [alltorque] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (11:29 am)
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Replying to: alltorque (Mar 14, 2008 9:08 am)

I'd buy a BMW or Audi diesel in a heartbeat. I've driven them in Europe and and entirely impressed, especially in their abilities to accelerate from say 20 mph to speeds of well over 100 mph. Forget the issue of fuel availability, if diesel cars start becoming popular (and I predict that they will), gasoline stations will increasingly start offering diesel as well. Case in point, of the three closest gas stations to our house, none of them carried diesel when we moved here in 2002, now they all do. Why? Well in our area, diesel trucks pickups and SUVs are quite popular as are VW TDIs and Mercedes-Benz E320 diesels.
 
Best Regards.,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by circlew
Mar 14, 2008 (12:04 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 8:49 am)

Heck, you must have a few million miles on you by now. Does your better half logg in that high as well?
 
I'm at about 300/week but my wife is a SAH mom but surprisingly she drives 200/week jockeying kids all day.
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Will Choices Change ? [shipo] by circlew
Mar 14, 2008 (12:20 pm)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 11:29 am)

Shipo, will you consider one for your current consideration or is your buy decision closer. I was thinking 335d when it comes over toward the end of the year. What do you think?
 
I was pondering it but wanted your view.
 
Regards,
OW

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