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Re: Price Reduction [irvine555] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: irvine555 (Mar 11, 2008 10:32 am)

I thought I'd chime in here, since my main decision was between the TL and G35.
 
I have been a Honda guy, so at first was not even considering the G35, and so was looking at the TL, especially considering the great deals that were possible considering the desire to clear out the 08's before the 09's came in. A friend recommended I look at the G35's, so at first I just went to the dealership and looked at them (on a Sunday so I couldn't test drive one), and I thought the looks and interior were very impressive looking, and so decided I would consider it.
 
I test drove the TL (not type S) and, while it was solid, I was not swept away. I was a bit disappointed with the low-end power and responsiveness. I then test drove the G35 and was blown away with how the engine performed. Very responsive, and I like the way the transmission adapts to the driver's driving style.
 
I thought I'd end up paying a lot more for the G35 given the incentives offered on the TL's, but actually found that the G35 incentives were even better, assuming you are financing a large % of the total cost of the car. The 2.9% financing for up to 63 months (incentive until 3/31) saves me about $2000 vs. the 5.24% rate I could get from my credit union, plus this month they have added an additional $500 cash rebate, for a total "incentive saving" of about $2500, greater than the TL incentive. Also, I was able to get a deal for slightly below invoice even before the incentives, so ended up with the exact car I wanted (Journey with Premium, no nav, wood trim, garnet ember with charcoal interior) for $32,150 or so, and considering the financing deal, over the length of the payments the cost is the same as buying a car at $30,200 and getting the 5.24% rate. This is not far from what I could get on a TL, even with the model changing, and this way I get a car that is a new body design (as of 07) and is the car I like better.
 
Anyway, I think both cars are great, but I prefer the G35. My main issue was the engine's performance and exterior styling.
 
Jeff
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Re: Both are great [bruceomega] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (7:18 am)
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Replying to: bruceomega (Mar 14, 2008 7:09 am)

That won't help those of us who are manual transmission bigots.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (7:20 am)
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Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 14, 2008 7:13 am)

You might want to consider fuel economy given the price of fuel these days. The TL is well known for delivering decent fuel economy in spite of its powerful motor; the G35 not so much.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by circlew
Mar 14, 2008 (7:21 am)
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Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 14, 2008 7:13 am)

Excellent post! Enjoy your new ride!
 
Regards,
OW
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (7:30 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:20 am)

Good point on the fuel economy.
 
The G35 seems to average 17-19mpg in mixed driving, while the TL is in the low 20's. I think the 5-speed automatic has something to do with that, since even on the highway it revs at a pretty high rpm.
 
Jeff
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Re: Price Reduction [circlew] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (7:34 am)
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Replying to: circlew (Mar 14, 2008 7:21 am)

Thank you, I am!
 
My wife was against the purchase (gas mileage/cost) until she actually drove the car. Now she loves it and wants to take it (instead of our 07 Odyssey) whenever she runs an errand without the kids
 
Funny thing, since a few weeks ago she always wanted to take the Odyssey out on errands (instead of my previous car, a 1993 Geo Prizm)
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Re: Price Reduction [jeffmo2334] by adamr001
Mar 14, 2008 (7:38 am)
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Replying to: jeffmo2334 (Mar 14, 2008 7:30 am)

Well my observations are that even with the 6mt gas milage is determined by how often you keep your foot on the accellerator. If you can avoid on/off your milage will increase. It doesn't seem to matter (again, anecdotal evidence) if I accellerate hard or soft. It's the simple matter of accellerating that consumes the fuel. If I maintain speed / cruise milage climbs immediately.
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Re: Price Reduction [adamr001] by shipo
Mar 14, 2008 (7:47 am)
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Replying to: adamr001 (Mar 14, 2008 7:38 am)

To be sure, for any given car, if you keep your foot out of it, it will deliver better fuel economy, however, some cars are still more adept at getting better mileage than others, and in this class of cars, the G35 seems to consistently deliver the worst fuel economy.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by adamr001
Mar 14, 2008 (8:00 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:47 am)

Oh, I didn't say that it didn't. The G35 is more sports car than performance luxury sedan.
 
It's just that I can make my G35 hit 20mpg in mixed driving or I can make it hit 17mpg. All by how I keep my foot on / off the pedal. On the highway, under cruise, I have no problems hitting 27mpg. Without cruise I run about 23mpg.
 
To be sure, the G35 isn't a fuel efficient vehicle.
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Re: Price Reduction [shipo] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (8:09 am)
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Replying to: shipo (Mar 14, 2008 7:47 am)

I think that all who look into this issue will unanimously agree that the G35 tends to get worse gas mileage than the TL -- by 2-3 mpg or so. One must weigh this into the decision they are making -- if an individual likes the G35 better, they need to ask themselves whether they like it "enough better" to pay a little more for gas.
 
I drive about 800 miles/month, so for me the difference of 2-3 mpg means about an extra 4.5-6 gallons of gas a month, which at current prices here in Houston ($3.20/gal for 93 octane), is about $14 to $19 a month. For me, I liked the G35 at least that much more than the TL, so I don't mind paying the extra gas $$. Even if gas goes up to $4/gallon, the difference will be $20-$24 per month, and I am still OK with that difference.
 
If all else was equal and I liked the TL just as much as the G35, then I would clearly have chosen it for the better gas mileage.
 
Mileage is definitely a factor to consider, and each individual has to weight each factor by their own relative utilities.
 
Jeff

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