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What is this discussion about? BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G35, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Lexus IS 250, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan


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Re: Both are great [scottm123] by irvine555
Mar 12, 2008 (8:51 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Mar 12, 2008 8:21 am)

scottm123, I understand that pretty much everyone on this forum is going to be biased since 99% bought or plan to buy a TL, but that's part of the reason why I want to hear their opinions. I want to know what made them choose the TL over the G35 or the Lexus IS. Im glad you're on here too, because you allow me to see the other side of the coin.
 
Thanks
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Re: Both are great [irvine555] by riorebel
Mar 12, 2008 (4:39 pm)
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Replying to: irvine555 (Mar 12, 2008 8:51 am)

Actually, I admitted that my main reason for buying a TL-S over a G35 was my wife's taste. That doesn't sound very fanboish to me.
 
That being said, I am very happy with my choice, and I don't regret it in the least.
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Re: Both are great [riorebel] by lockgiants
Mar 13, 2008 (4:19 pm)
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Replying to: riorebel (Mar 12, 2008 4:39 pm)

Personally I think that, although they are in the same entry level class, both the G and TL serve slightly differenet markets, and the choice should really depend on what you want. I bought a TL for a simple reason: value and location. I didnt want a rear wheel drive car since im in chicago, and a fully loaded G35 w/ awd would have cost me 36k. and to those who argue the opinions here are biast, i actually liked the G better, but i simply could not say no to a fully loaded tl for 31.5k (with 2k back). if youre someone who is willing to pay extra for the power, the G or the IS350 are better options. but the TL is a much quieter ride, and has much more bang for the buck. not to mention the fuel economy is better, especially with gas at record highs. but like most say, you cant really go wrong with either.
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Re: Both are great [lockgiants] by chirocat
Mar 13, 2008 (11:12 pm)
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Replying to: lockgiants (Mar 13, 2008 4:19 pm)

I really liked the G35, the studio on wheels is a nice concept and the compact flash slot was a better idea than an Ipod jack IMHO. The biggest complaint I have with the G35 is the pathetic lack of overdrive in 6th gear. My previous car was a 98 Maxima and it was tiring having the engine at 3300 rpm for my entire freeway commute. The G35 gearing was almost the same, whereas the TL-S is much more relaxed on the freeway, cruising well under 3000 RPM (2750). A few milder negatives with the G was the lack of smoothness in the clutch and some vibration in the shifter, and the insurance was also a good chunk more, at least with my company(interestingly, the R32 was the most expensive). I added all these together with a lack of enthusiasm for a good deal and the TL-S got the nod. I probably would have loved the G35 too, and might have taken it if the gearing had been better. Either way, you can't go wrong, they are all awesome cars.
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Re: Both are great [scottm123] by scwmcan
Mar 14, 2008 (3:40 am)
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Replying to: scottm123 (Mar 12, 2008 8:21 am)

Actually it's the entry level luxury sedan thread, not a TL thread, so there should be a balanced opinion, that said the one to buy is the one he like best, there really is no wrong answer.
Scott
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Re: Both are great [scwmcan] by pat HOST
Mar 14, 2008 (4:55 am)
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Replying to: scwmcan (Mar 14, 2008 3:40 am)

This started out in one of the TL discussions. I moved the thread here.
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Re: Both are great [chirocat] by adamr001
Mar 14, 2008 (5:32 am)
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Replying to: chirocat (Mar 13, 2008 11:12 pm)

I test drove a lot of cars before I chose the G35.
 
The TL was one of them. My main complaint about the TL was / is FWD. The car has all the usual FWD problems and didn't handle being "upset" in mid-corner nearly as well as the RWD cars I tested (nor as well as some of the other FWDs (9-3) either).
 
I liked the car, I liked the price, but I couldn't get past the FWD and handling.
 
If you test drive a G35, make sure and test drive one with 4-wheel Active Steering. Seriously. The difference between a Sport and 4WAS-Sport still amazes me.
 
Some of the other cars I test-drove were:
Lexus IS350 : Only complaints, rear seats slightly too small, no Manual Transmission option, otherwise this was the "best" car I drove from an overall perspective.
BMW335i : Excellent car, but it felt a bit soulless. It didn't leave me just drooling and wanting to get back in and drive. I can't really explain it better than that. I just didn't wow me.
BMW328i : Not in the same ballpark as the other cars I drove. Lacks the power.
Saab 9-3 Aero : FWD again, but otherwise this was a fun car and was 3rd in my ranking.
There were a few more, but they were more sport than luxury (WRX STi, VW STi, etc.)
 
Ultimately, it's all about what you want.
 
I wanted (in order of importance)
4 doors
Sport
Luxury interior + toys
Manual Transmission
 
Thus I chose the G35.
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Re: Both are great [pat] by scwmcan
Mar 14, 2008 (6:29 am)
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Replying to: pat (Mar 14, 2008 4:55 am)

My applogies to the original poster then.
Scott
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Re: Both are great [chirocat] by bruceomega
Mar 14, 2008 (7:09 am)
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Replying to: chirocat (Mar 13, 2008 11:12 pm)

... The biggest complaint I have with the G35 is the ... lack of overdrive ...
 
FWIW, The Infiniti web site says the 2009 FX-35 / FX-45 are going to have a 7 speed automatic. It's probable that will (eventually) work it's way over to the M cars and G cars.
 
Bruce
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Re: Price Reduction [irvine555] by jeffmo2334
Mar 14, 2008 (7:13 am)
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Replying to: irvine555 (Mar 11, 2008 10:32 am)

I thought I'd chime in here, since my main decision was between the TL and G35.
 
I have been a Honda guy, so at first was not even considering the G35, and so was looking at the TL, especially considering the great deals that were possible considering the desire to clear out the 08's before the 09's came in. A friend recommended I look at the G35's, so at first I just went to the dealership and looked at them (on a Sunday so I couldn't test drive one), and I thought the looks and interior were very impressive looking, and so decided I would consider it.
 
I test drove the TL (not type S) and, while it was solid, I was not swept away. I was a bit disappointed with the low-end power and responsiveness. I then test drove the G35 and was blown away with how the engine performed. Very responsive, and I like the way the transmission adapts to the driver's driving style.
 
I thought I'd end up paying a lot more for the G35 given the incentives offered on the TL's, but actually found that the G35 incentives were even better, assuming you are financing a large % of the total cost of the car. The 2.9% financing for up to 63 months (incentive until 3/31) saves me about $2000 vs. the 5.24% rate I could get from my credit union, plus this month they have added an additional $500 cash rebate, for a total "incentive saving" of about $2500, greater than the TL incentive. Also, I was able to get a deal for slightly below invoice even before the incentives, so ended up with the exact car I wanted (Journey with Premium, no nav, wood trim, garnet ember with charcoal interior) for $32,150 or so, and considering the financing deal, over the length of the payments the cost is the same as buying a car at $30,200 and getting the 5.24% rate. This is not far from what I could get on a TL, even with the model changing, and this way I get a car that is a new body design (as of 07) and is the car I like better.
 
Anyway, I think both cars are great, but I prefer the G35. My main issue was the engine's performance and exterior styling.
 
Jeff

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