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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [sjaieve] by billyperks2
Mar 12, 2008 (9:16 am)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Mar 12, 2008 8:35 am)

I am not taking sides here with the BMW fans because my next car will possibly be a GS 350.I just wanted to share this experience with you in regards to horsepower, I had a 2003 Acura TL Type S which boast 260 hp.My friend has a older 528I that has 198 hp and everytime we race he was down on my tail.You would think that a 260 hp would blow the doors off 198 hp bimmer.My point is, its not only hp that dermines a car's speed, its the torque, gear ratios, weight, driver etc etc.
Another remarkable example- I saw a Mazda Miata beat a Ferrari and Porsche on Motorsport TV last Saturday-expalin that to me?
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [blueguydotcom] by louiswei
Mar 12, 2008 (9:24 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Mar 11, 2008 10:49 pm)

You can get a 5 series for about 6-7k below MSRP via ED
 
One can probably get a GS350 close to invoice now a days so that's already something like 4k below MSRP.
 
By the way, does BMW pay for my ticket to Germany and all the room and boards? If not then maybe one should take that into consideration in order to make an apple to apple comparison which a good shopper always does.
 
Also, let's not forget the rental car fee if this is your only car because I believe with ED one would have to turn in the car at the time of purchase if a trade-in is involved. Because the car doesn't arrive until something like 4 weeks after you took delivery in Germany.
 
A smart and good shopper always takes every single penny into the consideration.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [sjaieve] by blueguydotcom
Mar 12, 2008 (9:34 am)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Mar 12, 2008 8:35 am)

Best of luck to that GS owner should the road have a curve, bend, hill or really anything that requires some kind of chassis-athleticism.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [louiswei] by blueguydotcom
Mar 12, 2008 (9:39 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 12, 2008 9:24 am)

By the way, does BMW pay for my ticket to Germany and all the room and boards? If not then maybe one should take that into consideration in order to make an apple to apple comparison which a good shopper always does.
 
It's called a vacation. Some people take those. Sadly in the US we don't get nearly enough PTO. My last vacation was two weeks in Thailand in Nov, 07. Before that I spent a few weeks in Europe for my 06 ED. Whether I get a car or not, another trip to Europe will be in the cards.
  
Also, let's not forget the rental car fee if this is your only car because I believe with ED one would have to turn in the car at the time of purchase if a trade-in is involved.
 
There's a word for someone that trades in cars on purchase. Barnum used it...what is that word...
 
A smart and good shopper always takes every single penny into the consideration.
 
I could break all that down for you too but it'll get boring. Needless to say, Frequent Flyer miles are easy to create with credit cards and free hotel stays and/or great deals are easy to find too.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [blueguydotcom] by louiswei
Mar 12, 2008 (9:59 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Mar 12, 2008 9:39 am)

It's called a vacation.
 
I usually go somewhere else for vacations other than Europe. Also, what if my car buying schedule doesn't agree with my vacation schedule?
 
Frequent Flyer miles are easy to create with credit cards and free hotel stays and/or great deals are easy to find too.
 
I have frequent flyer miles too but I would rather use them for my "real vacations" instead of going to Europe and pick up the car. Also, I rather use my credit cards to create more meaningful incentives such as racking up thousands of dollars for my next Lexus purchase.
 
I understand that based on YOUR lifestyle ED is certainly a good and smart option for car shopping. However, let's keep in mind that it may not be the case across the board for every car shoppers out there.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [blueguydotcom] by louiswei
Mar 12, 2008 (10:02 am)
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Replying to: blueguydotcom (Mar 12, 2008 9:34 am)

Best of luck to that GS owner should the road have a curve, bend, hill or really anything that requires some kind of chassis-athleticism.
 
The GS is no 5er but it'll hold its own on curvy and hilly roads.
 
I've tried a GS350 through an autoX type of course before, although it is a bit on the soft side but it went through the course smoothly.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [louiswei] by blueguydotcom
Mar 12, 2008 (11:04 am)
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Replying to: louiswei (Mar 12, 2008 9:59 am)

Naturally it's personal.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [billyperks2] by sjaieve
Mar 12, 2008 (11:59 am)
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Replying to: billyperks2 (Mar 12, 2008 9:16 am)

Look at the 0-60 & quarter mile times of the 528i and the GS350, The GS is still faster. I am just calling a spade a spade here.
 
There is a general tendency for the X28i to be overrated, yes its a BMW but its not the real deal, the real deal is the X35i. I have respect for that car, its fast and if you tell me its got better driving dynamics, heck, I will believe you. In addition, you probably paid more than anyone else driving the ELLPS so you deserve to be faster. It boils down to the "more money I pay, more I need" argument. With the kind of performance you get for the X35i, the lack of other options available on other ELLPS becomes petty. Not on the X28i though
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [sjaieve] by kdshapiro
Mar 12, 2008 (12:30 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Mar 12, 2008 11:59 am)

There is a general tendency for the X28i to be overrated,
 
I'm not defending the X2.8 but clearly this is your humble opinion. I agree specificially with regards to you, you should pay more for more horsepower. Everybody doesn't think like that and BMW recognizes this.
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Re: Audi A3 or IS 250? [sjaieve] by shipo
Mar 12, 2008 (12:52 pm)
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Replying to: sjaieve (Mar 12, 2008 11:59 am)

I think that you are entirely too caught up in straight line acceleration, and if that's your only yardstick, go buy a WRX and be done with it. There are plenty of people who would consider the x28i over the x35i, and for many reason, me included. When I leased my 2002 530i I made the conscious decision NOT to get a 540i (or an M5 for that matter). Why? Because the 530i was plenty fast enough for my needs, wants and desires. I don't constantly need to prove my manhood by blowing every slammed Honda away at every light, I buy the car for me. Period, full stop, the end.
 
Some time in the next year I'll be buying a new car, and the top five contenders are as follows:
1) Audi 2.0T 6-Speed S-Line (via European Delivery)
2) 2001-2003 BMW 530i Sedan 5-Speed Sport Package
3) BMW 328i Coupe 6-Speed Sport Package (via European Delivery)
4) BMW 328i Sedan 6-Speed Sport Package (via European Delivery)
2) 2001-2002 BMW 540i Sedan 6-Speed Sport Package
 
Notice that every one of those cars can be had with a bigger/badder/faster (and thirstier) engine. FWIW, the only reason why the 540i is on the list is that I really like E39s with a stick shift and lots of other goodies, goodies that are often hard to find in the 530i but yet seem to be on virtually every 540i from that vintage.
 
Best Regards,
Shipo

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