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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#10398 of 16984 Re: 3990 lbs?! [sevenfeet0]
Sep 26, 2007 (4:52 pm)
The BMW turbo charged engine generates damn near weapons grade torque at damn near "nuttin'" RPM's.
The CTS DI engine generates adequate, nearly ample torque -- but not so much when compared with the BMW blown engine which generates MUCH more torque at MUCH lower RPM.
The CTS at this "point of inflection" is a direct competitor with the BMW 3, Audi A4, Infiniti G35, etc.
It's wheelbase, to be sure, is 5 series -- but that "don't make it -- yet -- a member of the club."
The CTS is perhaps a 4 series or whatever might be comparable in the imaginary car world.
This makes the CTS perhaps somewhat of a bargain, since it is priced like the cars mentioned above that actually are being produced today, but is somewhat "more" than its price might otherwise suggest.
It seems, to me, however, to be "state of the art" 2004 -- and that is NOT a bad thing, especially at the price most of us will be able to lease one for.
It is a great effort, a very nice car, one that I would not kick out of bed for eating crackers -- but it is NOT a car that leads in any area, save perhaps price.
Drive a $40K G35X sport back to back with a $48K CTS AWD DI and make up your own mind.
Despite what you might conclude, if the CTS had decent bluetooth, I'd probably pick it over the G, based on what I assume the discount on the CTS will, shortly, be normal.
I love the interior of the CTS and I'm going to "vote" American if I can, this time.
#10400 of 16984 Re: Buyer Beware Part 2 [texases]
Sep 26, 2007 (5:16 pm)
I put the Caddy, BMW, and MB in the same poor pot, based on a number of years of CR surveys.
What "years" of Consumer Reports are you referring to? The previous generation BMW 5-series got the highest rating ever given by Consumer Reports. Caused my former boss to ditch his Lexus ES and move up to a 528i which he still has with 140k+ miles and virtually 0 problems.
I'm not sure where the current BMW's stand in CR but the pre-i-Drive models were rated way, way, way above GM and way above Mercedes.
#10401 of 16984 Re: Buyer Beware Part 2 [habitat1]
Sep 26, 2007 (6:48 pm)
In '05 or '06 these models had worse or much worse than average reliability: BMW: 5 series, 7 series, M3, X3; MB: all; Caddy: SRX, STS
My apologies to the 3 series and the CTS, they're OK. (But I still cannot fathom iDrive)
#10402 of 16984 Re: Buyer Beware Part 2 [texases]
Sep 26, 2007 (8:29 pm)
(But I still cannot fathom iDrive)
Personally, I like it. I find it useful and intuitive. I also have regular buttons for the most frequently used functions but I find myself using iDrive for everything except vents and A/C. I can only talk about the 3-series iDrive which is supposed to be simpler than the 5 and 7 series. I haven't tried the more complicated systems, but the 3 is quite nice.
#10403 of 16984 Re: 3990 lbs?! [markcincinnati]
Sep 26, 2007 (9:12 pm)
I can agree on some of your points and disagree on others. First, I do think the CTS is a member of the 5 series competitor club with the exception of the non-availability of V8 power. It has just about everything else. There are a few options sometimes found in this group (lane change avoidance) that are still only available on the STS, probably to keep some product seperation while that model goes on its long march to oblivion.
And regarding Infiniti, ah yes, they do upset the ol' product line apple cart, don't they? The M35 is on the large size of the class, mostly in terms of length (one of the reasons I liked it...it's always been on my short list). The G35 is supposed to be the BMW 3 series competitor, but in terms of size, it's the "tweener car" that the old CTS was. The G35 is a small midsize car that's on the small size of the 5-series class in terms of length and about and inch and change shorter in wheelbase. The width is narrower, much like the old CTS. As a result, it's playing in that "I can be a 3 series competitor and give you more room" role that the old CTS was doing. As a result, it's simular engine power but smaller mass gives it a small advantage to the new CTS but still nips the heels of the smaller BMW.
Given your previous posts, I know AWD is a bigger priority for you up in Ohio versus for me down in Tennessee. And that's fine by me. The G35 AWD will probably pull a more sporting performance that the CTS AWD given a likely 400-500 lb weight advantage. The CTS gives the driver more interior room (especially leg room) which is a bigger priority for me (top priority really).
Sep 27, 2007 (11:31 am)
A reporter from a national newspaper is hoping to talk to consumers who have been shopping for a European vehicle (BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Audi or others) and have found them to be more expensive because of the Euro exchange rates. Please reply to ctalatiedmunds.com no later than Monday, October 1, 2007 with your daytime contact info.
#10405 of 16984 Re: Press Request [KarenS]
Sep 27, 2007 (12:49 pm)
Isn't the writer assuming their story's angle is correct then? If the writer is only seeking buyers who think the price is too high based on euro exchange rates, then the writer's looking only for people who will support the story's thesis. Bad way to write an article.
#10406 of 16984 Re: Press Request [KarenS]
Sep 27, 2007 (1:40 pm)
A reporter from a national newspaper is hoping to talk to consumers who have been shopping for a European vehicle (BMW, Mercedes-Benz, Volkswagen, Audi or others) and have found them to be more expensive because of the Euro exchange rates.
What does the exchange rate have to do with an American consumer paying US dollars in the US for these European vehicles? As far as I know, the European automakers haven't raised their US MSRP's due to the declining dollar. Those European manufacturers stand to make less money, having to convert their US sales to Euros when they repatriotize the funds. But until they start raising MSRP's. the US buyer could care less what the Euro exchange rate is.
And, by the way, the dollar has also dropped substantially against the Yen.
#10407 of 16984 Re: Press Request [habitat1]
Sep 28, 2007 (2:45 am)
That CTS is sure looking cheap to everyone in Europe and Asia. Too bad the import duties would raise a US car over the cost of domestic purchase of a home grown variant over there.