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BMW 3 Series, Infiniti G37, Acura TL, Lexus IS 350, Mercedes-Benz C-Class, Cadillac CTS, Volvo S60, Audi A4, Acura TSX, Car Comparisons, Sedan
#10105 of 16087 Re: banner ads [dontbuylexus]
Aug 01, 2007 (1:34 pm)
This is becoming a back and forth that is not informative nor fun.
Considering I point out where Lexus is not as good as others - room, power (IS250), handling - how can I be a zealot or employee.
You go way beyond experiences where you state all Lexus cars are bad, unreliable, and that the corporation is defrauding everyone.
And yeah, I like to use facts. It is how effective debating is done - using things that can be verified. I also am smart enough to realize one car does not create a trend. Or distort things such as the TSIB to try and make it fit.
I guess Apple just admitted they lied since they just released an update to the iphone fixing bugs. Or that Canon lied since they had a firmware update to my Rebel XT after over a year of ownership.
I don't ever rebut your experience as being wrong, but I constantly rebut your logic of your experience = everyone's experience. It is the extrapolation of your one issues to the whole that makes no sense. The same as you dismiss the individuals that say the same thing about BMW.
Considering I have only owned my Lexus for a little over a year and have owned multiple other brands from Volvo, Audi, Acura, Saab, Honda, and others. I traded my Audi that I loved because of reliability and cost to upkeep on the Lexus and have experienced better fit and finish so far with the Lexus.
I drive a lot and need a comfortable, reliable car that also offers some fun. Seems Lexus fits it to a tee, but I miss the convertible and may ultimately end up with another one from another brand.
I will wrap it up by putting it this way. I had a Honda Civic in the 1990s that everything kept falling apart on it (bought new). They could never solve about 10% of the issues and they were all minor (no engine failure stuff), but annoyed the (you know what) out of me. I got rid of the car for a Mazda MX-6 V6 (fun car that should have lasted longer in the marketplace) and I still think that I got a bad example from Honda. Facts show Honda makes a reliable car, but mine was the small percentage that was not. I guess I am smart enough to realize that I got the lemon and that someone had to. Did I create a grudge about Honda Corp - Nope. They just stopped receiving my money and I moved on. If Acura makes a more compelling car to my liking, I may even go back. (I did have an early Integra that was great prior to the Honda)
I have said my peace and unless compelled will move on and enjoy these forums.
PS - Not for this group, but my company builds a lot of labs for Biotechnology and I have been involved in it alot. If you think that big Pharma controls drug discovery than you are misinformed. Look at Scripps Research Institute, Burnham Institute, Torrey Pines not to mention the University Research. Big Pharma actually does the least drug discovery. They just purchase the science and bring it to market with some internal research as well. Talk to any of the scientist researching cures and tell them that they have not made the breakthrough because of Pharma and they will laugh.
#10106 of 16087 Re: banner ads [dontbuylexus]
Aug 01, 2007 (1:37 pm)
and BTW this proves that your information is BS. IS250 AWD does come with runflats and that is why they couldn't patch them.
IS250 AWD Specs
Let me clear it up for you:
Wheels & Tires
Alloy Wheels, 17-In. X 8-In.
SBRP225/45VR17, All-Season Tires
Compact Spare Tire
IS250 AWD Specs
Under "Handling and Control":
17.0" silver alloy wheels
Compact steel spare wheel/tire
Now why would a runflat-equipped vehicle have a spare tire?
#10107 of 16087 The horse is dead...
Aug 01, 2007 (2:40 pm)
This line of the discussion has been exhausted and deteriorated into personal attacks which simply won't be tolerated.
We have taken a great discussion about entry level performance sedans and have focused it on one item/agenda. Therefore, please note that if there is a desire to continue any one line or agenda open a separate discussion for it. Any further comments along the lines of one agenda (positive or negative) dominating will be removed (if personally attacking or otherwise violating the Membership Agreement which a member agrees to when joinging and posting) OR moved to a discussion that it is more appropriate and on-topic. There are numerous problem topics about vehicles and manufacturers that are heavily read for people looking to learn more. Again, stay on topic.
Let's get back to the Entry Level Luxury Performance Sedans.
#10108 of 16087 Re: Speaking of brake dust... [blueguydotcom]
Aug 01, 2007 (3:52 pm)
We've got 3 cars for two of us.
Mini, A3 and ???
but my fiancee expressed that she would never ride in it with the top down.
I won't ask you how one can live in San Diego and NOT want a convertible. And to think I got a call on my 911 Cab when I was considering selling from a guy that lived in Nova Scotia.
I'll give you credit on the Mini purchase / exit strategy. The damn things just don't depreciate at all.
#10109 of 16087 Re: Speaking of brake dust... [habitat1]
Aug 01, 2007 (4:27 pm)
Old 90s Corolla from her high school years. It still runs and serves the purpose. Additionally, her mom has a Jetta and a 07 Prius (just replaced the 06 lemon-lawed Civic Hybrid) that we can borrow whenever. Access to extra cars is not a problem.
Man, you're telling me about the convertible thing. Just today a coworker was pointing out the e93 BMW 3 series convertible and I laughed as it'd never be an option. She has agreed a used Boxster in the future might be okay if it's not my primary car.
#10110 of 16087 Re: Speaking of brake dust... [shipo]
Aug 01, 2007 (5:42 pm)
On my E39 I replaced the pads with PBR/Axxis pads after I got tired if cleaning my wheels every couple of hundred miles. With the new pads, I could not feel any difference in braking capabilities, but I did notice a HUGE difference in brake dust, as in NONE.
IIRC, you originally suggested PBR/Axxis pads as a solution to the brake dust problem a couple of years ago on the 3-series forum. Before this thread dies, I'd like to thank you. Earlier this year, I replaced the pads on my '01 330i with PBR/Axxis. What a difference!
Should've done that years ago. Thanks again.
#10111 of 16087 Re: Speaking of brake dust... [jimbres]
Aug 01, 2007 (6:00 pm)
Wow, thank Jim, both for the kind words as well as the breath of fresh air in this stale discussion.
Aug 01, 2007 (7:12 pm)
Different subject for a better discussion
Convertibles are a great thing. I had an '04 Audi A4 Cab prior to my Lexus and when the top went down - a lot of stress went out the roof.
I would have bought another drop-top if there was one that fit my needs (4 seats being one of them). The Volvo was new and they wanted full MSRP (worried it would drop like a rock resale value and slow); Saab was old; new BMW was not out; Mercedes was too expensive.
I figured the Lexus would be my between car. I would love for the rumored IS Convertible to be real.
I also am leaning towards a hardtop even though I love the look of the ragtop. My Audi was Black/Black/Black - a killer in the sun of South Florida, but it looked great.
What are your thoughts on the convertibles in this segment since it is an area that is heating up (pun intended)?
The new A5 will be a great looking convertible.
PS - My Audi top seperated at the rear window at 2.5 years and 52,000 miles. I mention since it is the reason I now lean towards a hardtop - Please lets not talk about quality as we beat it to death over the last few days.
#10113 of 16087 Re: Convertibles [jzalkin]
Aug 02, 2007 (5:10 am)
Buddy of mine is heading to Germany in October to pick up a European Delivery 335ic. He had worked out a deal on a 2007, but his travel plans changed and he had to back out. The 2007 carried a MSRP of about $56,000, invoice of about $52,000 and his negotiated price was just over $50,000 ($1,500 over ED invoice). They will do the same deal, but don't know what the 2008 pricing is yet.
He has lots of frequent flyer miles and his wife has never been to Europe, so they are turning it into a second honeymoon. But the savings are substantial. He saw a car on the dealer lot that was going for $1,500 more than his price - and it was the 328i not the 335i. The dealers are adding crap to the cars here to pump the price.
I've yet to see or drive the car in person, but he says it is very nice, and a rocket compared to his 1999 328cic.
#10114 of 16087 Re: Convertibles [habitat1]
Aug 02, 2007 (5:48 am)
"I've yet to see or drive the car in person, but he says it is very nice, and a rocket compared to his 1999 328cic."
Never drove the 328, but the 335 is a rocket compared to the 330.