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#16078 of 16087 Re: Entry level larger luxury sedan [nyccarguy] by fedlawman

May 03, 2013 (9:54 pm)

Replying to: nyccarguy (May 02, 2013 8:01 am)
"Like you've said many times GG, none of us (with possibly the exception of Roadburner & Fedlawman) comes close to our respective cars limits of acceleration & adhesion, especially on public roads."
 
Well, I don't know about public roads... I have my fun, but I save the absolute limits for the track. I only visit the track a handful of times a year.

#16079 of 16087 Re: MKZ [scwmcan] by graphicguy

May 04, 2013 (5:58 am)

Replying to: scwmcan (May 03, 2013 7:41 pm)
scw....I happen to like the way the new Lincolns look too. I think the big knock on them is there's little to differentiate them from their more humble step sibblings from Ford. I don't know which models compare from Ford to Lincoln. But, from what I've read, you'd be hard pressed to see why the Lincolons cost extra thousands when moving from a Fusion, Taurus, etc to their Lincoln counterparts.

#16080 of 16087 Lexus IS350 wins C&D Comparo by xrunner2

May 04, 2013 (8:07 am)

C&D, June issue, test drove Lexus IS350, BMW335i and Cadillac ATS 3.6. Lexus finishes first, BMW second, Cadillac third.
 
They didn't think Lexus would be the best sports sedan until they "dove into the twisting, climbing, kinking, plunging roads around Leakey, Texas" with it.
 
On BMW they said: "Still good at everything, no longer the best at much".
 
They said that Cadillac "the most flawed", but they liked the handling.
 
So, is the world almost turned upside down. Cadillac better than BMW in handling, but more work to do with other things. So, where will BMW be in next comparo in a couple years.

#16081 of 16087 Re: Lexus IS350 wins C&D Comparo [xrunner2] by dino001

May 04, 2013 (9:47 am)

Replying to: xrunner2 (May 04, 2013 8:07 am)
Seems that BMW gave up the spot voluntarily rather than Lexus leaping over. That is sad.

#16082 of 16087 Re: Lexus IS350 wins C&D Comparo [dino001] by andys120

May 04, 2013 (10:02 am)

Replying to: dino001 (May 04, 2013 9:47 am)
Seems that BMW gave up the spot voluntarily rather than Lexus leaping over. That is sad.
 
That's my impression as well. BMW is losing sight of the fact that they'll never build a better Lexus than Lexus can. As a result Lexus is no longer chasing BMW, it's the other way around.
 
Thanks to the way the Euro is tanking, BMW, Audi and Mercedes have an opportunity to put more content and value into the cars. Let's hope they take advantage of this. How about BMWs with spare tires, temp gauges, shift levers that don't look like keg taps and good old "go flat" tires?
 
Right now the biggest knock seems to be the new electric steering. I imagine that will be improved over time. I'm old enough to remember how awful the first hydraulic assist steering was but over time it got a lot better.

#16083 of 16087 Re: MKZ [graphicguy] by flightnurse

May 04, 2013 (10:14 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (May 04, 2013 5:58 am)
GC the the Fusion is the MKZ and the Taurus is the MKS.

#16084 of 16087 Re: Which one has best sound? [flightnurse] by graphicguy

May 04, 2013 (10:57 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (May 03, 2013 6:05 pm)
FN...I think part of Lincoln's problem is I don't know their models anymore....and I'm probably one of their market targets if I had to guess. Plus, I don't know what advantage they offer over any of their competitors in the same price class.
 
Thanks for the info on car stereos. I know the upper end B&O stereos on upper end Audis are better than the one in my S4. But, they're also big buck upgrades, too. Haven't heard the B&O in either the A6 or A8.
 
Still, hard to beat the ELS in the TL.

#16085 of 16087 Re: G- Convertible AWD? [larrys8] by larrys8

May 09, 2013 (8:35 am)

Replying to: larrys8 (Apr 30, 2013 11:26 am)
Thanks everyone for the replies. I guess I am looking for the perfect, do everything car. You were right on the money with the Murano....I am sure I can get a great deal HAHA. Best thing for me likely is to keep the G sedan and look for a used jeep or mita to have as a fun car!! Problem is convincing the wife that "I need it"
 
Thanks all for keeping this forum entertaining!

#16086 of 16087 Re: Which one has best sound? [graphicguy] by flightnurse

May 09, 2013 (9:05 am)

Replying to: graphicguy (May 04, 2013 10:57 am)
GG, last week Rick and I went to the Audi dealer, I'm looking at the A5 as the new ride. While talking to the saleman, he was telling us about the A8 and B&O soundsystem. They had a S8 in the showroom, and he demoed the sound system, I would buy the A/S/8 just for that system, incredible simply incredible. The sound stage was right up in front of the driver and passenger. Deep rich lows and crystal clear highs (without hurting ones ears.) However, the entrance to this sound system is steep, but if you want a A8 or S8 money isn't an issue. The B&O sound system in the A5 is good but not as good as the A8 or S8. Now if I can only find a excellent used S5........

#16087 of 16087 Re: Which one has best sound? [flightnurse] by sweendogy

May 09, 2013 (9:32 am)

Replying to: flightnurse (May 09, 2013 9:05 am)
How do you find the time to go to so many dealers- Audi, Porsche , etc and test drive these cars and somehow walk out without anything?
Follow up q.
Do you think the local dealers will one day lock you out at some pt?

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