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#26 of 35 Makes sense riopelle
May 01, 2002 (6:03 am)
I don't understand all the different variations of RSX. I understand the need to market the product to as many people as possible. I also do not understand why Integra name was dropped. Talk about name recognition!! Most people I talk to don't know difference between TL, RL, RSX, MDX. If you say Acura SUV, then they know. I'm sure that horse has been beaten to death in the Town Hall though. Anyway, one of these days I'll get around to driving the Si. I'm not going to buy one until Honda actually steps up to the plate and takes a swing not just show up at the game. 16-17 inch wheels and the 6-speed from CTR would have been the minimum needed to generate interest. Honda, please surprise us in 2003. I have read that 2004 will be the last year for S2000. After that, I don't see any reason to visit a Honda dealer!!! Unless you want to be bored to tears.
#27 of 35 Took a long drive in the Si
May 07, 2002 (5:42 am)
Took a very nice test drive in the Si on Saturday. I like the Hatchback styling. The engine has all the typical Honda goodness. (Although, I do miss that VTEC engagement on the previous model.) I think it has one of the smoothest 5-speeds Honda has ever made. The rally style shifter is great. The seats provide great support. But the handling is a real disappointment. A real oversight by Honda. I can deal with the fact that Honda produces more interesting versions of this car for other markets if they would have made this a fun to drive. My old 1991 Protege was more fun to drive with less HP! The previous version had much better handling and was certainly more interesting to drive. Honda has all the parts right. They just need to button this thing down and make it out-handle all other Civics before it!
After the test drive, I explained my thoughts to the dealer. He was honest and told me that 4 local Honda dealerships have a total of about 15 of these things for a couple of weeks and have been only able to sell 2!!! I told him it didn't surprise me. The Si is not priced far from the RSX type-S. I told him I would just spend $3000 more and get one of those. Or the WRX, MP-3, SVT Focus, and did you read the new review of the Dodge Neon SRT-4. Now some of you may be thinking how could you compare a Dodge to a Honda. The point I'm trying to make is that there is allot of other choices out there now. Honda needs to do something interesting with the Si to separate themselves from the rest. The Si is too important a product for Honda! Now it is just another car like any other. I'd rather have a fun handling MP-3 than a sloppy Si. Look for a good used Civic Si on Prelude and remember the fun cars Honda used to make for us. HONDA, BRING THE CTR BEFORE IT IS TOO LATE!!!!!!!
I did learn something new though, Honda is bringing an Accord Type R, w/ 6-speed manual. Unfortunately it will probably cost 30,000.
#28 of 35 that is the real problem
May 15, 2002 (7:34 am)
There are a lot of cars in this market now to compete with civic SI, and this car does not impress enough with its handling, at least from what I read in the press. Of course, I am sure that if they brought type R here it would have none of the compromises for the masses that the SI does, but in that case it is true that the price might be too high to sell well. I mean if type R and RSX-R are a couple of thousand $$ apart, which would you buy really? I'd go the extra $2K and get the extra 20 hp and stuff in the RSX-R. And what ABOUT the WRX? And other models in that price range as well.
May 15, 2002 (8:12 am)
I don't think the CTR would have to be overpriced. In the UK the Civic Type-R is the same price as a Focus ST170 (basically a SVT Focus that sells here cheaper than the Civic Si). Either Honda's eating a huge loss in the UK market, or they've way overpriced the Si for the U.S. market.
May 15, 2002 (7:06 pm)
the civic SI is priced as high as it is because they have to build it there then ship it over? I heard the only place they are building SI's is in the UK. Problem is, ultimately they can't price the SI the same as the type R, because one will totally undercut the other, in which case CTR is going to be on the order of $21-22K at least, wouldn't you say? Or maybe they will lower the price of the SI in its second model year?
Dec 16, 2002 (7:16 pm)
I heard something about JDM TypeR bodykits available in Canada? Anyone hear about that?
#35 of 35 Type R in 2004
Mar 11, 2003 (12:22 pm)
Just saw a copy of Motortrend and they said the Civic Type R was coming in 2004?! I hope this is true. The Si was such a dissapointment for the price. Lets hope they keep alll the good stuff such as 6-speed, 17in wheels and limited slip differential. My money is on them not bringing it over though.