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53 messages, Last post on Apr 09, 2002 at 9:17 PM
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#44 of 53 by speedshift
Apr 05, 2002 (9:31 pm)
Shifty, I know this sounds weird but didn't you mention the Borgward Isabella as a sedan that had some racing success?
#45 of 53 by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 06, 2002 (11:43 am)
No, not exactly but you have a good memory! I think I mentioned that Borgward did build a race car that had some success in Formula 2 in 1959. The legend says that the autocratic and rather weird Herr Borgward built the Isabella so that his wife would not buy a Karmann Ghia. It could be true, he was like that apparently.#46 of 53 I believe the Isabella was rallied...I recall seeing it in a by andys120
Apr 06, 2002 (12:34 pm)
#47 of 53 I believe the Isabella was rallied...I recall seeing it in a by andys120
Apr 06, 2002 (12:35 pm)
"Legends of Motorsport" show about the Monte or Tulip rallies.#48 of 53 by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 06, 2002 (2:09 pm)
Oh, yeah, in those days you could rally anything, even '51 Chevies. Even American Crosleys raced at Le Mans (didn't do too badly in their particular class, either, until they died).#49 of 53 maybe? by ghulet
Apr 07, 2002 (6:52 am)
That really beautiful late '60s BMW 2000 sedan I just saw. Lovely car, though this example was an automatic, which precludes it being a 'sport sedan' to me.#50 of 53 Well by im_brentwood
Apr 08, 2002 (11:55 pm)
I suppose it would what is now referred to as the Jaguar "Mk 1" (Really the 2.4 and 3.4 Sedans) as they came out in 1956 or 1957 (I forget exactly what year..).The hot ticket inthe small Jag saloons though was the 3.8 "S-Type" as it had the IRS setup. They handle quite well for what they are and for the time. Much better than a Mk2, But worth much less.
Go figure... But a 356B is more civilized than a 356A and worth less....
Bill
#51 of 53 by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2002 (8:26 am)
Oh, I disagree with that. I think a B coupe is worth a bit more more than an A coupe, and a C coupe considerably more than a B. If not in your area, that's the way things will go I think in the near future.As an example, price an A coupe against a C coupe and you'll see a big difference. So sophistication is working toward higher value, IMO.
However, this does not imply that A values are dropping or anything. Just not climbing as fast as the later cars.
Now Pre-A coupes seem to be lagging much more, so I see a pattern here. The newer the 356 coupe the more valuable is what I'm betting on.
#52 of 53 Shifty by im_brentwood
Apr 09, 2002 (8:08 pm)
I gotta disagree..Looks to me, from what I am seeing (I was just discussing this today with the guys at Klasse 356 in PA) that the As are heating up. If anything, they're selling quicker.
T5s will always be a bit soft.
Pre-As? (And I dont mean 54-55s...) those are in their own little world. They're just rare cars... I am, as we speak, Pursuing a '51 Cabriolet.
It needs a lot of work (But isnt very rusty.. thankfully) and is worth as much as a nice driver C Cabrio.
Bill
#53 of 53 by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Apr 09, 2002 (9:17 pm)
I don't think so, because the trend is very much swinging toward collectors actually driving and enjoying their cars; ergo, the Cs and Bs will outsell the As as time goes on, since the As are anemic and have drum brakes. But of course all the 356 series will continue to appreciate in value, except the rust buckets or the real disasters.But a C coupe will always outstrip an A coupe at an auction, both cars being equal. I'd bet the entire ranch on that. Clean Cs are busting $20K now and the same A might bring 15K.
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