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Replying to: starrow68 (Oct 31, 2007 4:40 pm) You answered your own question - it's about the drive, not the speed/time. It's about exploring/pushing limits in a controlled setting, experimenting with different lines/techniques, and learning to recognize and work the subtle cues that a fine sports car transmits through it's steering, brakes, chassis, etc. There's not much subtlety in a Corvette. But I do agree with you in one regard - if you don't appreciate or care about the Cayman's impeccable quality, refinement, feel, and response, then save yourself $15,000 and enjoy the torque.
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Replying to: starrow68 (Oct 31, 2007 4:40 pm) Well, if you think you're going fast, what else matters? But then, if you're like me, when I see a bike ahead, I have to catch him and see if I can pass. And, if I think I'm going fast, all is well until someone passes me. I would love track time IF there was a track close, and IF my priorities were to throw money at chasing a tenth of a second while chasing my tail round and round in a circle. Maybe at 21 it would have been top priority. And it was, but in different ways. I always had one of the faster muscle cars. Today, I prefer to spend my $$ in other ways, like a winter home in AZ, or play Scrooge McDuck. Oh, I would still run a course if I had the chance, just for the experience, but now, when I have done something I wanted to, I would rather move on and experience something else. I always enjoy those tight little roads though, and a Boxster or a BMW 335 is more than adequate for that. In fact, after driving all of the BMW's, the 335 is my choice with the 6xx series coming in second. 335 will whup the 6 though. The upcoming 1xx series with the same 300 HP twin turbo six should be awesome. It will be interesting to see how it does against the Vette. Especially if there is an M. Bad for the ego to get passed by a bottom line six. I found a track in Texas where you drive an outlaw car. Seems like it was a day or so, and you got 100 laps for $3000. THAT, I would love to do. I always felt that if I could find something that would leap up in the air and turn a somersault when I hit the throttle................ This would be about as close as you could get, other than a dragster of a funny car. On the street, my old Kawasaki 2 stroke 750CC triple was close. Within 3 months I had modified it. Couldn't keep the front wheel on the ground. Ain't toys fun. Takes lots more finesse to shave seconds off on a road course, I would guess.
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 31, 2007 8:26 pm) But I do agree with you in one regard - if you don't appreciate or care about the Cayman's impeccable quality, refinement, feel, and response, then save yourself $15,000 and enjoy the torque. " Well, I would agree that most don't feel the Vette is subtle. On the other hand, it is a far different world with the C5 than prior gen's and the C6 is another step in the right direction. Try one some time. As for enjoying the torque vs. the Cayman S, I noted that it is the better car although it's hard to say with equal drivers. It takes more skill to drive the 911, or, I think the Cayman than a 50/50 Vette. I see guys that can make 911 RS clones do amazing things with much less HP. The Cayman takes more talent as was evident when I coached a Cayman driver at the Buttonwillow track for a day. Now, admittedly the guy was never going to be very fast but the car made up for a lot, until he forget that the blind entry to the Off Ramp went off camber and instead of hitting the brakes before entry he hit the throttle and then hit the brakes too hard after his turn in. We ended up about 50' into the dirt and to give the kid credit he did lock down and only slid sideways so he got all the following wave of dirt through his window and not mine. As I noted, he was very lucky, me too, since we only got to about 4' from the tire bales. So, I appreciate the Cayman and it may well be worth the extra $15k, but for equal bucks, the Vette is far superior to the Boxster. Randy
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 31, 2007 9:27 pm) ... " I have to agree that if there is something up the next straight that wasn't there before it gets me going since I know I'm closing it. I don't know many on track that look at it otherwise. As to chasing the last 1/10th, well there aren't that many kids out on track, mostly folks that have achieved something and do tracking vs. golf, etc. Racers are a different crowd. As to getting 1/10th's off, I've been doing it for 5 years and just set some new personal bests at Thunderhill so there is always more to achieve. I'm glad to say Randy
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Replying to: starrow68 (Nov 01, 2007 5:56 pm) Not to drag this on, but...regarding "equal bucks," I'd say the Honda S2000 is also superior to the Vette - and significantly less expensive. Apples and oranges I know, but the Honda is simply telepathic - magical (and I have a place in my heart for high-strung inline 4's). Keep the rubber side down Randy.
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Replying to: starrow68 (Nov 01, 2007 6:03 pm) Jerry |
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Replying to: fedlawman (Nov 01, 2007 7:37 pm) Suburu and Mitsubushi, WRX and Evo are a better bang for the buck if someone wants to drive them. The S2000 is amazing on track but is a handful with shorter wheelbase. The 2 4WD cars can be driven what I call 'stupid fast', they go well beyond what new drivers are capable of controlling, hence I've seen several roll/flip at track days. But, the S2000 was simply too small inside for me at this point in my life, much tighter than my '72 MGB for instance. And the other two are just not sporty, IMO, no matter how capable. It is a matter of finding something that tickles your fancy and being happy. Thanks for the good wishes in all cases. I'll try to keep the rubber on the road when I get over to Spring Mt. MSP for the next event. And yes, my wife is a very tolerant woman, in addition to having her own non-track Corvette. Randy |
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Has anybody out there tried 5PDCoatings scratch remover? It sounds to good to be true! They claim it takes out swirl marks and scratches with very little effort. My vette is a black daily driver and if this stuff works I would think I died and went to Heaven!
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 31, 2007 9:27 pm) I just stumbled across it. You want brute power? Here ya go. Outlaw driving school http://outlawdrivingschool.com/classes.html |
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Replying to: vettever (Nov 03, 2007 7:58 am) http://www.tintdude.com/auto-detailing.html I just use a polisher with just a touch of compound - scratch remover, whatever. Buff lightly until the compound burnishes out to a shine with just a light residue of compound left, then remove that with a cloth or towel. Experiment to find the method that works for you. On bad surfaces, I color sand with 1500-2500 wet-or-dry sand paper, then rubbing or polishing compound. Hand waxers may shudder, but it works. Once you get to this point, you can hand wax if you like. If a scratch has gone through the clear coat. there isn't much you can do, although I always wanted to carefully fill one like that with clear coat. and then color sand starting with a block, to get the surface level. Has anyone done this? Other methods/products?
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