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#1717 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [55396] by fedlawman
Oct 16, 2007 (7:54 pm)
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 16, 2007 7:45 pm)

I don't know. As soon as I read the word, that's what I thought of
 
Why not just call it "Corvette?"
#1718 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [fedlawman] by hal56
Oct 16, 2007 (7:59 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 16, 2007 7:54 pm)

or just 'Vette
#1719 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [hal56] by 55396
Oct 16, 2007 (8:07 pm)
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Replying to: hal56 (Oct 16, 2007 7:59 pm)

Front engined would be a Vette. Something new, exciting, exotic etc. with a mid engine is not the same car, would sell better and be distinguished as an upscale product. Besides, it's not the same car.
#1720 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [55396] by fedlawman
Oct 16, 2007 (8:42 pm)
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 16, 2007 8:07 pm)

Do you really believe Chevy could produce an exotic, mid-engine, hand-built Ferrari fighter with high quality materials and sell it for less than a Ferrari?
 
What parts could they carry over from the Corvette to build this new exotic? Maybe the lug nuts...
#1721 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [fedlawman] by 55396
Oct 16, 2007 (8:48 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 16, 2007 8:42 pm)

"What parts could they carry over from the Corvette to build this new exotic?"
 
You would probably surprised what could be used. Brakes, engine, radio instruments and much much more. That just scratches the surface.
#1722 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [55396] by fedlawman
Oct 17, 2007 (4:22 pm)
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 16, 2007 8:48 pm)

Brakes? OK, sure.
 
Engine? Let's see - Ferrari 112hp/liter; Porsche 133hp/liter. Corvette 72hp/liter.
#1723 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [fedlawman] by 55396
Oct 17, 2007 (5:42 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 17, 2007 4:22 pm)

"Engine? Let's see - Ferrari 112hp/liter; Porsche 133hp/liter. Corvette 72hp/liter. "
 
Didn't catch the word 'could', I take it. They 'could' make it anything they wanted to, including the engine with twin turbos. Are we in a pissing contest here?
#1724 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [55396] by fedlawman
Oct 17, 2007 (7:09 pm)
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Replying to: 55396 (Oct 17, 2007 5:42 pm)

No, just a healthy discussion.
 
I've been intrigued by the Corvette for a long time and I very much like the C6. I think it is the first true American alternative to some of the best sports cars in the world, and I'm looking forward to watching it "grow up" as the C7 and beyond come along. But the Corvette is a uniquely American sports car - possessing a driveline and suspension that, while terrific for what it is (the archetypical American sports car), is a relatively crude sledge hammer by European standards.
 
I just think GM is a "bang-for-the-buck" company with little financial (and management) leeway to build a car without compromise - which is what would be needed in order to play with Ferrari or Porsche on a level playing field. To build a true exotic, GM would have to start with a completely clean slate - a daunting and expensive proposition that would be a huge financial gamble that I don't believe GM management and stockholders would tolerate.
#1725 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [fedlawman] by 55396
Oct 17, 2007 (9:17 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 17, 2007 7:09 pm)

OK. Fair enough. Now we're having a conversation. I understand your position. I don't mean a car equivalent to a Ferrari. That wouldn't make sense. But I think the monkey is coming off GM's back, and maybe, based on risks like the DTS and CTS, they may see that gambles will pay off if done right. Cadillac has come a long way, as has Saturn. The new Malibu looks like it is light years ahead of that fleet car box it replaces.
 
You know, there are many, many stories where the underdog had the fever and dedication to defy the odds and win. The old American spirit we seem to have lost. Drag racers like Sox and Martin. They showed the factory that they could win and got factory support and sponsorship. Then there was a guy named Carol Shelby with the Cobra and Mustangs. Ford supported him. The cars are now classics. And it seems that there was a group within Ford that came up with a lowly GT40, and probably on a budget too. Didn't they go to Europe and beat Ferrari? Maybe I'm not too out of line mentioning that name. Then there was a guy named Duntov that worked wonders with the Vette. Surely you have heard of him.
 
What I'm saying is that it can be done. Someone needs to have the dream and the passion - and support. Surely GM has the technology. The expertise is out there with guys like Shelby. Hell, hire Schumacher to evaluate the machine. He surely knows what a Ferrari is. The American automotive industry needs a shot in the arm and it will take something special to allow them to hold their head high again. I would like to see them go for it. Using components in production cars would ease the financial pain. Really, how much more does it cost to manufacture parts that are properly designed? With todays technology, machining and manufacturing to tight tolerances should be a snap. Out with the old and in with the new. And that goes for people too. If you can't adapt to today's world, hit the road.
 
Now, I have driven Japanese cars and bikes for over 20 years because I couldn't accept the junk being shoved out over here. Patriotism only goes so far. I work hard for my money and I will spend it on the product that is right for ME. When they wouldn't step up to the plate while poo pooing the Japanese, I left. Lately though, I like what I see from GM. A year ago, I took the leap and bought GM stock at $25. My gut told me to do it. Lately, it was around $47. I still can't get myself to buy the product though, but they're bringing me in closer and closer. The new CTS looks like a winner. Now if they could just do something about resale values................
#1726 of 1906
Re: 2012 C7 Corvette [fedlawman] by bolivar
Oct 18, 2007 (2:02 pm)
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Replying to: fedlawman (Oct 17, 2007 7:09 pm)

Have either of you guys driven a C6 Corvette? More than 'just around the block'?
 
It is far from a 'crude sledge hammer'.
 
What is the comparison with Ferrari? Or Porsche? This is a $50,000 comparison with what, $90,000 and $135,000?
 
Why would GM want to inflate their price and cut out probably 40% of their current buyers? Just my wild guess, but if you read on other forums, there are a lot of 'payment' buyers of Corvette. Buyers that would not be able to make the $100,000 plus market of the car you seem to want the Corvette to turn into.
 
I think GM knows exactly where the market for their car is, and what they need to do to place the car there. And, they have the Z06 for the really go-fast market. Like the base motor, with a top speed of 186mph isn't quite enough?
 
The current car has much more power than the average buyer needs, and probably can 'handle'. Turn the wheel slightly, jump on the gas, and the car will go sideways before the traction control can kick in. I have driven mine for 11 hours, and I am no longer very young, and I felt better than any other car we have ever owned. While cruising, which the car can do at 100mph+ if you don't value your license, it is very quiet (runflat tires road noise is the main thing you will hear), tracks great, looks stunning. If you open it up, the exhaust howls, all that I would ever want to hear.
 
The car is what it is. If this isn't what you want, find the car that is. And, probably dig much deeper into your pocket to get it.

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