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#1615 of 1908 "byzantine" ??? ordering [ruking1] by rayainsw Jul 18, 2007 (9:37 am)
Replying to: ruking1 (Jul 18, 2007 7:48 am) Although some other GM offerings ( the RWD Caddy STS springs immediately to mind ) certainly have had some rather bizarre ordering requirements \ restrictions in the past, I did not see the ordering on my C6 as challenging at all. What was ‘byzantine’ about your ordering experience? I actually found ordering my Corvette quite straightforward. . .   By contrast: For example, the STS could not be ordered with the highest level performance handling package ( was RPO: QAF – now designated PCZ and essentially includes the former QAF components + more ) except on the highest PEG level on the V8. ( That was a 1SG ‘Preferred Equipment Group’ and was an $8,000+ package – and included a number of rather ‘pricey’ luxury \ convenience items that are of very limited interest, thus limited value – to me.   GM \ Caddy Marketing triumphs over actual customer preferences.   Another item of particular interest to me: The Head-Up display was also ( during much of MY 2005, 06 & 07 ) available for order only bundled with the ( K59 ) Adaptive Cruise Control ( at over $2,000 additional ) and only on the 1SG as well. Since my Corvette has a HUD – and no adaptive cruise control, this is clearly marketing driven. Again.   This is one primary reason that today I drive a Corvette and not an STS. I do like the RWD STS. And I do understand that certain combinations of optional equipment may conflict – or legitimately one may require another.   But. The ordering limitations & associated pricing were 2 big reasons why I have not purchased one. Had I been able to ‘cherry-pick’ only & exactly the options I wanted & was willing to pay for, I’d likely have purchased an STS V8 back when GM was running their “Employee Pricing For Everyone” promotion.   For 2008, GM \ Caddy appears to have addressed several of my concerns in these regards. I plan to test drive & price a 2008 STS.   - Ray Really, really curious about your ordering experience . . . Replies to this message: ruking1 (Jul 18, 2007 10:12 am)
#1616 of 1908 Re: "byzantine" ??? ordering [rayainsw] by ruking1 Jul 18, 2007 (10:12 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Jul 18, 2007 9:37 am) Hopefully in 8/9 years the process has gotten better!!?? This was ordered in 2000. First off, I wanted a 2000 metallic blue "Nassau Blue" hard top. I was placed on the waiting list. I was told we missed the order cut off for the 2000 model year. Next, the dealer really didn't know the 2001 offerings (specifically alpha/ numeric codes to order the 2001 hard top) and the ones in the inner GM order chain didn't either. To make a long story short, it was a seemingly longer wait than what I had envisioned. Since this order was being placed NOT from a so called "high volume" Corvette dealer, which tends to get its so called Corvette quotas, the salesman had to pull some strings up and down the internal GM pecking order (seamless to us the consumer of course) which nontheless affects/effects, who, what, why, how and when, etc.), At times it felt we were PUSHING strings! Also at the time, most dealers charged MSRP/plus. So because in our minds, I had wanted the so called hard top, the salesman and dealership worked on giving me close to the 2000 hard top prices for the 2001 so called "hard top" which we now know as the 2001 Z06. Another was there was no order code for NO sound system! There was the other anomoly; the factory called the salesman to extend to me (since I had expressed it) the option to paint my ordered Speedway White, hard top now "Z06" (I had wanted hardtop and they decided to radically soup up the hard top version), the metallic Nassau Blue! They stated 2 GM execs had wanted metallic Nassau Blue and they would be willing to accomodate my "non standard" color choice. Naturally I thought he was playing a practical joke, but nonetheless gave me half a day to decide. So I understand through the Corvette community there are documented 2 (nonstandard color choice) 2001 Corvettes painted Nassau Blue from the factory! I kept the Speedway White choice. I probably should have gotten another one painted Nassau Blue, but oh well.
#1617 of 1908 Re: resale \ ordering Re: actual #s \ percentages [rayainsw] by starrow68 Jul 19, 2007 (6:41 am)
Replying to: rayainsw (Jul 18, 2007 8:20 am) Interesting about Boardwalk, I know another forum where they post but don't seem to be competitive with other 'National' dealers. I ordered my first Vette from a dealer in San Leandro and the salesman took my $1k down and then since I had put in a 60 day, confirm build or refund, he called to admit that the sales manager was using all their allocation to fill the show room. I wasn't getting a slot. That's when I found Ken F. at Fichtner Chevy in Laurel, MT. One email set the discount, another set the order details and returned the build slot in his allocation list. This was summer of 2001 and I got an August build 2002 in Electron Blue. As I remember I then called just to make sure the phone number worked and sent off my $1k check. I got notified of a build date in early Sept., arrived at the dealer in mid month and flew up late in the month to pick up the car.   Saved an extra grand over what I'd been promised by the local dealer, but not delivered, and about 2k over what was avail. if I took what was sitting on lots, wrong colors and options I didn't want. The trip got me a couple days in Yellowstone with the wife which was one reason she ordered one a couple years later. Same drill except she got the last of the '04s at $12k off or $39k out the door with $2k more in options than my '02 and sticker about $2k higher due to price increases.   I'm very happy with Fichtner!   Randy Replies to this message: rayainsw (Jul 19, 2007 7:41 am) Mr_Shiftright (Jul 20, 2007 9:26 am)
#1618 of 1908 Problem with C6 ? by starrow68 Jul 19, 2007 (6:56 am)
I track my C5, quite alot actually, it's been to about 100 track days in 4 1/2 years of it's 6 year life. It isn't an inexpensive car to track but with a little thought and just learning the ropes about driving on race tracks it can be done reasonably. I used to think the $200/$300 entry fees were a big deal until I learned how quickly I would use up tires, brake pads and rotors. That's not to mention the work to bleed brake fluid and the mods to keep it cool when you start to pick up speed. I have several grand into the mods.   From some folks I've talked to the electronics in the C6 seem to be a little more finiky than the C5, don't know for sure. Then with 18/19 wheels the tires are less available and lots more expensive than the 17/18 sets I run on the C5. I'm guessing the rotors and pads would be about equal.   I think if I were to replace my current coupe I would love to find a C5 Z06 with a telescoping steering wheel, they didn't come in the Z, even as an option, that had been a show car for some non performance owner. It's amazing how many Corvettes sit in garages and just go to shows on weekends. I even know a guy who had never washed his C5 in 6 years, it had never been washed, or out in wet weather. Amazing! Randy
#1619 of 1908 Re: I'm very happy with Fichtner! [starrow68] by rayainsw Jul 19, 2007 (7:41 am)
Replying to: starrow68 (Jul 19, 2007 6:41 am) I bought my GMPP through them - last week, in fact. Thanks for posting... - Ray Doing Yosemite this Fall w/Daughter - but without my 'Vette ( sigh )
#1620 of 1908 Re: resale \ ordering Re: actual #s \ percentages [starrow68] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jul 20, 2007 (9:26 am)
Replying to: starrow68 (Jul 19, 2007 6:41 am) Hi Everyone,   Please take advantage of Edmunds new Dealer Rating System!    http://www.edmunds.com/dealerships/drr/jump.html   Your input would be much appreciated and of great help to the community at large!   Thanks from all the Hosts at Edmunds!
#1621 of 1908 Painted vs. glass top by motorhead1 Jul 20, 2007 (12:41 pm)
I was just wondering,is the painted top on the C6 that much harder to remove and store than the glass top? Thanks
#1622 of 1908 Well, here is another prediction ... by starrow68 Jul 21, 2007 (5:02 pm)
http://blog.wired.com/cars/2007/07/popular-mechani.html   Everything sounds reasonable except the limit on production. If it sells, they will make more. Randy
#1623 of 1908 For those that don't know ... by starrow68 Jul 21, 2007 (5:04 pm)
http://autos.canada.com/news/story.html?id=5cade220-e3c9-4c99-b98a-4823dab925e7   The Corvette Wave is still alive and the word seems to get out there somehow to new owners. Randy Replies to this message: Mr_Shiftright (Jul 21, 2007 5:48 pm)
#1624 of 1908 Re: For those that don't know ... [starrow68] by Mr_Shiftright HOST Jul 21, 2007 (5:48 pm)
Replying to: starrow68 (Jul 21, 2007 5:04 pm) Too bad they didn't use twin turbos. That's a natural set up for a big V8.

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