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#2807 of 3858 Auto Trans slips from 1st to 2nd gear
Feb 11, 2007 (4:48 pm)
I have a 2001 Corolla CE with a 3 speed automatic transmission with torque lock up driven 52K miles. I have problems with the transmission shifting from first to second gear. The problem occurs if I accelerate a particular way (not being aggressive). I have kept up maintenance by having 2 complete flushes (at the Toyota dealership) and 1 service dropping the pan (changing out 4 - 5 quarts) at an independent mechanic I have used for years. Therefore I have changed the fluid on average ~ 20K miles. According to my mechanic, there was no abnormal wear. The transmission fluid has always remained pink with no burnt smell. I am leery about taking it anywhere anticipating the response, "you need a rebuilt unit". Are there any suggestions on what maybe causing this? Thank you.
#2808 of 3858 Re: Normal transmission maintainence [dgaul]
Feb 11, 2007 (4:58 pm)
Check your Toyota owner's manual. My 2001 manual states that the fluid type to use for the automatic transmission is "Automatic transmission fluid D-II or DEXRON III (DEXRON II)." Per mdawgg in another posting, it is suggested to use the ATF from the dealership. I would like to know if there is some verification from Toyota Motor Corporation if this is the case because at my last service, Dexron III was used. Also per Popular Mechanics, it was suggested to flush the transmission because it removes the fluid that is trapped in the torque converter. This is because the fluid can breakdown into a varnish like substance. Also Click and Clack, the tappet brothers on NPR's 'Car Talk' also recommend flushes over simply dropping the pan. So I have been having my transmissions flushed at the dealership. If there is a authoritative automotive stating otherwise, please reply. Thanks!
#2809 of 3858 Re: 2006 Corolla front seat noise [dadof6]
Feb 14, 2007 (12:07 pm)
Dadof6 and Micomark,
I have a brand new 2007 Corolla CE that is exhibiting this seat noise at approx ~1500 miles. The seat makes a popping noise on acceleration/deceleration and when the seat back is moved back and forth. The noise is extremely annoying and poses as a safety concern. I feel that the seat will give in the event of an accident causing more injury/harm to the passenger. I have had the car for 2 months now. I brought it to Longo Toyota (El Monte, California) twice for 2 determinations for the seat problem. The first time, the technician didn't diagnose the problem correctly. The second time the service department threw the problem over the fence for Toyota Corporate to deal with. They let the District Service and Parts Manager (DSPM) evaluate the problem. The Toyota DSPM determined he was able to duplicate the same noise in the seat I have encountered and is deeming this condition as NORMAL as compared with LIKE models. Furthermore, the DSPM added that the seat is operating as DESIGNED. Hence, the Dealership and the DSPM will not do anything to alleviate the seat problem. I will most likely submit a claim to the California Dispute Service for arbitration. Please acknowledge if anyone has encountered such a hassle.
#2810 of 3858 Re: 2006 Corolla front seat noise [bcorolla]
Feb 15, 2007 (5:21 am)
If this is a normal condition the DSPM & SM should be able to show you other cars on the lot with the same noise.
Your next step--tell them to show you that it's normal by showing you it exists in other vehicles just like yours.
When I had mine done there was nothing visibly wrong with the seat frame but it cured the problem for about 10,000 miles.
#2811 of 3858 Re: 2006 Corolla front seat noise [dadof6]
Feb 15, 2007 (1:04 pm)
Apparently there is no technical service bulletin to document this problem. I think that if we pursue this further then Toyota "may" look into the problem. I feel ripped off becuase I purchased a new car to avoid such problems! I am speaking to the DSPM today and will let you know. Thanks for the prompt reponse.
#2812 of 3858 Re: 2006 Corolla front seat noise [bcorolla]
Feb 15, 2007 (2:14 pm)
After you had the frame replaced, was the noise any different? My observation is that the noise is coming from a loose height adjustment lever. If you are exhibiting it too then it's a poor design or a flaw in the assembly chain. What else have you done to resolve seat the problem?
#2813 of 3858 2006 2007 Toyota Corolla Front Seat Noise
Feb 15, 2007 (3:08 pm)
To all Toyota Corolla owners with a vehicle still under warranty (2004-2007),
I just spoke with the DSPM (district service and parts manager in the El Monte, Ca district) from Toyota. He compared my new vehicle to other Corollas. According to him, the seat is operating under the tolerances/variances of the design and henceforth, the seat is not warrantable. Furthermore he said that the same noise was found even in Camry's. I am totally unhappy with the quality of my Toyota. I will be submitting a claim to the National Center for Dispute Settlement and California Dispute Settlement. I urge you all to call the Toyota Customer Experience Center at (800)331-4331 and report your seat problems. I am real worried about the safety risks involved with a loose seat that Toyota refuses to repair.
#2814 of 3858 Re: 2006 2007 Toyota Corolla Front Seat Noise [bcorolla]
Feb 16, 2007 (3:26 am)
Did the DSPM duplicate your noise,while you were with him, in the other cars he compared too yours? This is the only way Toyota can claim it to be a normal noise. Keep in mind that the DSPM is a business degree not a technical degree position in Toyota. Hopefully an FTS (Field Tech Specialist) will be sent to inspect your noise. IMHO the noise is not a safety issue just annoying as all get-out. I lived with my noisey seat until I traded the car recently at 2yrs & 55,000 mile. BTW I advised our FTS of the noise his response being they hadn't seen that before.
#2815 of 3858 Re: 2006 2007 Toyota Corolla Front Seat Noise [dadof6]
Feb 16, 2007 (9:33 am)
I never even met with the DSPM. He claimed that he had 2 other people with him at the time of the inspection (a technical specialist and the shop foreman). He refused to show me the car in person. It seems as though after the DSPM has inspected the car, his decision is the final verdict - there is practically no negotiation. What would be the best course of action to proceed? I realize that there is a design flaw in the seat but if it occurred down the line at 20K miles I would be alot happier than now when the problem occurred at 1500 miles.
#2816 of 3858 Re: 2006 Corolla front seat noise [bcorolla]
Feb 16, 2007 (9:58 am)
"operating as designed". sort of like the kiss of death. duplicate the issue in a number of other cars and it's suddenly a "normal characteristic" no matter how absurd it seems... geesh.
quality. doing right by the customer. this is what toyota strives for, right?
why don't you have someone you think is mechanically savvy drive the vehicle while you listen from the back seat location, and as the car is put thru it's paces to replicate the problem, you try to sleuth the location of the sound.
then you drive and have that person perform the same steps and see if you converge on the probable cause.
perhaps, there is some fitting or some metal to metal contact or other in the seat or positioning mechanicals that you can lubricate or modify (rubber bumper, foam, electrical tape, adjustment) to mitigate the problem.
then you go into the dealership and you point blank tell them they a really poor excuses for diagnosticians and repair people.
no - just kidding.
you show them your findings and your kludgy solution, and you ask them to address that problem properly (if you couldn't or don't like your solution).
sometimes i think you just have to invest the effort when your dealership won't. this seems on the surface that you can make some inroads yourself, then perhaps take it back to the dealership, or call corporate to get it fixed.