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#121 of 2208 Time to Shop around !!
Sep 02, 2002 (4:28 am)
I agree with your approach.
If you go to Autotrader.com and specify a search for a new car and then build one for a Corolla LE, here's what you might get for example:
MSRP $16,050 and Invoice of $14,426 for a Corolla LE with:
CRUISE CONTROL CL $250.00
ETR AM/FM STEREO W/COMPACT DISC/CASSETTE PLAYER -inc: 6 speakers EJ $140.00
4-PIECE CARPETED FLOOR MAT SET (PPO) CF $76.00
50 STATE EMISSIONS FE $0.00
CARGO MAT (PPO) C1 $56.00
CARGO NET (PPO) GN $48.00.
I'd say your offer was fine. The dealers wasn't. Part of the problem in Texas is Gulf States Toyota, which operates as a very strong distributor in your state.
This is where port options get installed that you don't want.
When you go to Toyota's national site and do a 'build your own', you end up at www.shopatgst.com which is run by GST.
They have the same kind of 1970's useless option packages as South East Toyota does over in Atlanta. They sell things like vehicle etching (new car's major components have had vin numbers etched on them since 1993 due to a Federal law, so the window etching is useless and redundant). The also sell paint sealants and fabric sealants (and probably door to door encyclopedias too).
All of these are good reasons to shop in another state nearby. You could try and call Beaver Toyota in Santa Fe, NM, they seem to be independent of GST's add ons...but alas, maybe that's too far.
Sep 03, 2002 (8:11 am)
I also considered a civic again (just got rid of my '99) but there is no way I would pay that much for a car and always have it in the shop again. I went to about 9 dealers before I got the price I wanted. You just need to shop around and realize that it's going to take some time... And believe me that time will be well spent when you get a toyota corolla over the civic because in the long run you will spend less time in the auto repair shop and less money fixing the problems after the warranty ends. And too civics have poor safety ratings and from the reviews I have read toyota corolla ranks in the top 3 everytime and the civic is not in the top 5. It is the #1 selling car around for its class...and I can see why.
#123 of 2208 Take a look at 2002 Corolla LE's too
Sep 03, 2002 (2:41 pm)
Edmunds is showing a listing in their TMV Deals of the Week for last week 8/29, for Corolla LE's. The base units are going for high 13's, low 14 before extensive optioning.
#124 of 2208 Re: Don't give up
Sep 03, 2002 (5:54 pm)
Thank you Corolla_grl. I have called to about 5
dealerships. All of them said Corollas are in short supply now and don't want to go below MSRP.
I'm going to try Dallas next.
Can you tell me what was wrong with your Civic? I looked in Honda board and don't notice too many complains about civic quality. There are some but not more than any other cars.
Sep 06, 2002 (6:41 am)
Well I recently went to the honda site here and there was a message board dedicated to all the problems the car has (I believe its listed under service and repair issues) So here is the list of problems I had:
Squeeky noise when driving over bumps- struts went bad...had to be replaced 2 times becuase they never got it right
Driver side front window rattling at speeds of 35+ (continually cranking down window and rolling it back up to create better seal...never worked)
Slow crank down in hot weather and rain with windows.
Radiator busting after 2 months of owning new car and then again at 5 months
Seatbelts breaking 4 times 1st month, 3rd, 4 and 6th month of owning car...
Air conditioning going out 5 times (3 times componets had to be replaced)Last time if I didnt have the warranty would have cost me 2,500 bucks to fix
AC never really getting cold...even after 30 min of being on...prolly from all the radiator and ac problems
Clutch going out after 2 yrs (car was never raced and clutch was gently handled when driving) That cost me 3,000 bucks...not covered
Idle and engine problems at 2 1/2 years. Car was in shop for 5 days
Driving off lot with no oil...doing some damage (honda service techs have a history of forgetting to put oil back in...duh!)
Suspension problems after 1st year
Needing new tires after 1st year (cheap tires if you ask me)
Needing a 4 wheel alignment after 5 months ???
Leakage problems with the trunk-car wasnt sealed properly
Front finder falling off...wasnt put on right
Water getting into rear lights...not put on right or sealed right
Plus other things. So as you can see I have every reason to hate hondas...especially civics. After reading posts on edmunds the problems mostly occur on the civics...but the accords seem to do well. But all I know is my car was a piece of crap and I hated it...love the new toyota though...handles sooo much better, much smoother ride...better acceleration, ect.
Oh and dont get a sunroof...they also leak! Oh and if you need a new key youhave to order it from honda...you cant get a copy made or the key will not turn on the engine and it will get stuck in the starter...it needs to have the chip (another way to get you to spend more money) And if you have a low tank of gas...even 1/4 left the car has trouble starting...takes me 1 min soetimes to get the engine to roll over and go. They can also be hard to start in hot weather. Oh and then the cd player goes out easily too.
So yea...hondas stink lol...give me a toyota any day
Oh and the sales man I talked to all said the same thing "they are in short supply" Actually they arent...they get like 20 of them but they sell really fast....try interet sales...thats how I got mine...and it was 1,325 or so under MSRP.
#126 of 2208 Re: My civic problems
Sep 06, 2002 (7:25 pm)
Wow, now I see you have a reason to hate civics. Civic looks very cheap to me. I just wondering how they can hold value so well? I ask dealler about used civic 1-2 years old. He said it's going to be cheaper to get a new one than buy used and he showed me the price list. They want 13.9K for 2000 LX. How they do that?
Tomorrow I'm going to dealership to order my Corolla LE. Dealler said they can get any color now. Seems like production is picking up. But ABS is still impossible to get in Texas. Wish you will enjoy your Corolla for a long time.
Sep 06, 2002 (8:30 pm)
I too can understand why you are not a Civic fan - I drove a '86 Civic hatchback for almost 15 yrs and it did not have any major problems - before that I had a 1980 Toyota Corolla hatchback - after selling my Civic last year I purchased a new '01 Corolla LE and I love it - no problems or recalls or anything to complain about - hope you enjoy your Corolla for a long time -
#128 of 2208 nikolaikin - Corolla w/ABS try these
Sep 07, 2002 (3:06 am)
There are two LE's with Automatic and ABS sitting in invenotry at Seeger Toyota in St. Louis.
Try www.buildatoyota.com to get out of buying a Toyota in Texas from Gulf States Toyota's distribution organization.
It's only 950 miles and by the time you got home, it'd be all broke in and ready to go!
#129 of 2208 Bought Corolla LE today!
Sep 07, 2002 (6:12 pm)
Just got my corolla LE today. Paid $15500 without taxes and fees. As I know paid $300 over invoice. Unfortunately, invoice here in Texas bigger than Edmund's. I was shopping for about a month and before could not find anything cheaper than $15.9. Did not get ABS, but it's OK.
Thanks to everyone and good luck.
Sep 15, 2002 (7:33 pm)
Absoulute Red XRS
CD w Changer
Carpet & Cargo mat
18 in TRD 5 spoke wheels w Good year Tires
This has been the best I could find so far in Oklahoma. I think their about $1000 high but they won't budge.