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#14 of 766 by imaram Mar 06, 2002 (3:48 pm)
Oh yeah, totally in jest. Great save...NOT. Good try, though.   "I even see the value and uniqueness of the new SC430."   You see a lot more than I; I only caught the "uniqueness". While I hardly think the C70 is trying in any way to be a Mercedes, or vice-versa, I can't say the same of the SC430. Now, if you'd said the SC "ain't no Mercedes," I'd just have to sit back and nod agreement in silence.   Oh, and I don't use pills. Bottle of Absolut in the freezer seems to work just fine. Matter of fact, I think I'll head that-a-way right now!
#15 of 766 2003 SL500 Launch Edition by jstyle Mar 06, 2002 (5:39 pm)
This afternoon I saw at my dealer the 2003 SL500 Lauch Edition. They parked it right next to a previous generation. Very nice redesign. I got a chance to sit in play with some of the controls and watch that amazing top. A very beautiful car. The color is a very unusual silver with a blackish interior. I like the wood inlaid steering wheel and the thin five spoke wheels. Only the color of the tail lights bother me. I wish they had much more of a jewel effect. It is a designo addition. Close to $10K over list. Plus the dealer mark up they are asking $110,000 for the car.
#16 of 766 by revdrluv Mar 06, 2002 (8:16 pm)
I think, as silly as they are, emoticons are the best solution to avoiding misunderstanding in online forums. Since we can't hear the tone of voice in your head it is a way of letting us know what you mean.   For Example...   You guys are #$%!** petty little bitches.   May seem like I am being an A-hole, but...   You guys are #$%!** petty little bitches. ;D hahahaha   is obviously a light hearted little jest... well maybe not.   You get the point anyway.
#17 of 766 Hey, lovemyclk.... by toyotas1 Mar 07, 2002 (5:23 am)
it doesn't take many pictures (or dimensions) to se that Mercedes is still mystified by the legendary design of the original SC400. The current CLK pales in comparison, and the new one is a stagger backwards.......and inaram...... no the SC430 may not be a Mercedes, it might be better.......
#18 of 766 Bwaaahahahahaha by v12power Mar 07, 2002 (6:07 am)
The CLK is one of the best looking cars on the road. Since when has MB taken styling cues from Toyota, er, Lexus? The LS is a total S-class rip off, the fools didn't even bother to copy the latest model, they copied a discontinued one. Imitation is the most serious form of flattery. MB remains, the standard of the world.   Now you think the SC430 is a better car than the '03 SL500? or was it the CLK430? Either way you have done nothing more than make yourself look foolish by suggesting that. the SC is a boutique car, very pretty (to some eyes), but connnot hope to compete against the SL500. The CLK is not a good comparison as it has real rear seats unlike the SC. Either way the MBs stomp the Toyota IMO.
#19 of 766 toyotas1 by merc1 Mar 07, 2002 (8:02 am)
Normally I don't get into answering your every post, but if you think the SC400 of the past has anything to do with the current CLK, you're breathing fumes from Toyota. Yes I did like the 1992-1996 SC400, but after 1996 they completely ruined the car in typical Japanese fashion. The Japanese in general are the biggest copiers in the world and Lexus is the worst offender. If anything was copied it was Lexus who did the copying. BTW, the SC430 isn't anywhere near being on the same level as the SL500, yet alone "better". And Automobile picked the CLK430 Cabrio over the SC430 also a few months back, since you want to go there.   M
#20 of 766 by imaram Mar 07, 2002 (8:04 am)
Have to agree with v12 on the new SC (well, maybe not the "foolish" part), but hey, you probably already knew that. The old SC was a seriously beautiful car. I think the main reason for its success was that it was never aimed directly at another auto maker, but a fresh design calculated to stand on its own. The new SC is a shot fired directly at Mercedes, IMO, and as such, misses.   I think Lexus has other weapons that are more devastating. Clearly, no one has been able to tap into the (again, stand alone) design qulities of the GS. I believe the new 7-series is aping (unsuccessfully) some of its idiosyncracies. And if BMW isn't frightened at all by the IS300, well, they should be.   As far as the SL500 goes, retractable hard tops seem to be the lux coupe oyster just now, though I've never cared that much for the concept. The SL accomplishes everything that the SC tried to, but with style, grace and just plain "oomph" that the SC, in its current iteration can't hope to match.   The problem here is commenting on performance without having driven the SL. So, at this point, I'll just have to say I'd much rather have the SL in my garage, so that I can come out late at night and just stare at it, than the SC. By a long shot.   Price. I think it's kind of silly to pay a premium for first shot at this little beauty. I've never really understood the "first one on the block" attitude, when it comes to paying extra. Every time I see some new model commanding premiums (premia?), I'm reminded of the introduction of the digital watch. Remember those guys who spent $400 bucks for the first Pulsar watches? But that's just me.
#21 of 766 by sphinx99 Mar 07, 2002 (8:30 am)
Well said imaram. Lexus seems quite capable of standing on their own, and when they do so they seem to enjoy a great deal of success. The IS300 really is a blast to drive, the old SCs were beautiful cars and the new LS430 seems to have grown up into a car of its own. But then you have the LS400 and the SC430 and the SUV lineup which don't aspire for much more than to copy the competition.   I'd like to see a Lexus exotic, the NSX of Lexus just to see what the company could do.
#22 of 766 by imaram Mar 07, 2002 (8:46 am)
Not to get into a Lexus conversation, but the RX300 seems pretty much a segment definition, IMO. kind of has the M-Class on the mat, until you hit 500 or 55, and no domestic maker can touch it. The 470 is a joke, as far as I'm concerned. That's rebadging at its worst.   LS430 is a winner, but I still think they're aiming at Mercedes, not quite hitting the mark, and scoring points in spite of themselves.   In this class, I'd still rather park the SL500 in my personal garage. That or an XKR. Hmmmmm.
#23 of 766 Paid for mine by shoes Mar 07, 2002 (8:54 am)
I got to write a check for my new SL500 this week, but because I am taking European delivery I have to wait a month before I drive it and then another 6 weeks before it returns to the US.   Anyway, my sticker was $91,500 which included the comfort package, wood package, bi-xenons and maybe one other option. I placed my order more than a year ago, so there was no mark up.   There seems to be quite a few designo editions in the first shipments to all the dealers, which are $10K more than the others. Also, Mercedes, which had been pressuring dealers not to mark up cars, seems to have relaxed this restriction. My dealer told me that the first car they sold went for $30K more than MSRP. Forget about the SL55, those cars when they arrive in the late summer, will be very rare and probably sell for $50K over.   I spent time in the new car and was very impressed with the attention to the details, with only a few slip ups. The HVAC dials look like they are right out of a Chrysler and the plastic shroud over the speedo is cheap (the SL55 covers this in leather). However there are so many other positives about this car, I feel very happy that I am getting one.

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