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Volkswagen Touareg, SUV
#663 of 2219 Perhaps not the time and/or board but "in the family"
Jul 19, 2003 (7:07 am)
In November 2002, I picked up my brand new allroad.
Every possible option and a 6spd man (0-100kph 6.8secs without the aid of a chip!) MSRP just south of $49K.
Added 4 upsized Mich Pilot Sport A/S tires ($840), had the dealer (!) reprogram the 4 level suspension to go 1/2" lower (no charge) and had the A6 rear sport antisway bar put on the car ($200 including labor).
Then I took it to a bodyshop and had the fender flares & front and rear bumper body color painted and clearcoated (burgundy pearl). This plus the Audi factory phone all together brought the "sticker price" to about $52K. The Audi dealer did all the above for me (except the sport suspension in the lease) and then discounted the car back down to about $48K, gave me the Audi loyalty discount and rolled it into a no money down no first month's payment 36 month lease (35 payments).
Level 4 on the suspension is 8+ inches of ground clearance. The floorpan of the allroad is 20% stronger than a standard Audi A6 avant and it has front and rear skid plates.
It is a mid-sized part sports sedan, part suv, part station wagon (gasp!).
It goes like hell, corners with my 2001 A6 4.2 (which had the sport package), has On*star, sat nav, a very good sound system, great seats and plenty of room for 4 adults and OK room for 5.
It is fantastic on trips at level 2, handles very crsiply on the twisties on level 1 and can go much further off road than 98% of us will ever do -- with aplomb -- and when it is all clean and shiny is an upscale German car.
If any car was the Swiss army knife of cars -- this one is it. At this moment it can't do everything OFF ROAD that a Touareg can do and it can't tow as much either. However, it will out accelerate, out corner/perform the Touareg in literally all on-road categories. And if you compared the V8 Touareg with the allroad for gas milage you would have both higher performance and greater miles per gallon with the allroad.
Finally with the addition of a mild chip, the performance characteristics can be increased significantly (HP will be taken to 300 and torque will increase to over 350 foot pounds).
If your need is for heavy duty and serious off roading -- get the Touareg. If your need is for over 7,000 pounds of towing capacity, get the Touareg.
If your need is to go virtually anyplace that a Jeep Grand Cherokee can go -- the allroad will do just fine.
I am, despite my sales pitch in favor of the allroad, a Touareg fan. In no way does any of this imply I believe the Touareg is not all that Car and Driver claims it to be (The BEST Lux SUV on the planet -- at this moment).
But once you get above $43K -- if you find yourself underwhelmed by the power of the V8 Touareg and not needing the superior off road capabilities or the extra towing capacity -- please at least take a long long test drive in an allroad. The Japanese cars/semi-SUV's listed and discussed in this thread are "posers" when compared with the allroad.
And, finally, the Audi comes with 100% maintenance for 50,000 miles and a dealer network that while not perfect is generally much much better than the current state of VW dealerships.
P.S. - due to the relative obscurity and lack of markeing that has been done on behalf of the allroad, most dealers have several on their lots and right now (and probably for at least another 60 - 75 days) they are discounted mightily.
P.P.S - if this still doesn't float your boat, ther is NOW available a 2004 allroad with that super sweet 4.2L V8 engine with 300 naturally aspirated horses for your dining and dancing pleasure (of course that option makes it MORE than the Touareg; while the other version even maxed out will be less than a Touareg even before a generous discount).
This is a GERMAN car chat room -- let's not have this Japanese discussion creeping into it
Jul 19, 2003 (7:26 am)
I know it's early in the game, but anyone have any real-world experience towing with the Toureg? Payload ratings tell only part of the story- how does it track, pull, etc.
Need to pull a 4000# skiboat/trailer, and want something that has the stones to tow without getting winded or wearing me out on longer drives. And would really prefer not to have to go to a domestic SUV. The VW seems to be the only non-domestic with strong tow capacity(besides the Cayenne).
Jul 19, 2003 (7:51 am)
The VW seems to be the only non-domestic with strong tow capacity(besides the Cayenne).
Check out: 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, LX/GX 470, Pathfinder, QX4, Xterra, Montero, Rodeo, and XC90. All are rated over 4000# for towing, and most are rated ~ 5000#, if not higher.
Jul 19, 2003 (8:00 am)
FYI, if you plan to tow with a Touareg , the VW tow bar will cost an additional 650 bucks. Dealers might get a supply for installation in a few weeks.
Jul 19, 2003 (8:59 am)
Check out: 4Runner, Land Cruiser, Sequoia, LX/GX 470, Pathfinder, QX4, Xterra, Montero, Rodeo, and XC90. All are rated over 4000# for towing, and most are rated ~ 5000#, if not higher
The Touareg is rated for 7700 lbs. None of those come close.
Jul 19, 2003 (3:15 pm)
I agree the allroad is a dynamite vehicle. I had a little fun with one a couple of weeks ago. Stayed with him all the way to triple digits but let up because I had my family with me. The engine in that allroad (2.7t twin turbo) is what should have been the base engine it the toureg. I am very interested in the pikes peak if it does indeed seat 6 or more people. I agree Audi has some sleeper vehicles I would love to get my hands around the S8 I think you have strengthend my point at 50 large there are tons of alternatives. My budget however was 40k and at this price point nothing comes close to an fx35 in the crossover segment for features, dealer experience, Performance and price. Like I said at 50 Large the toureg while nice would be pretty low on the list. If I could have gotten a bi turbo, nav, rear dvd toureg for what I paid for my fx it probably would have been close but the toureg as it stands now just fell short.
Jul 19, 2003 (4:03 pm)
True, but the poster was looking for something to tow a 4000# trailer. All the ones I listed will do that with ease.
#670 of 2219 One other point re - allroad
Jul 19, 2003 (5:09 pm)
MSRP for an allroad is $39,950 and change. Add the one super all-in-one option package $3,450 and the thing with even a lousy discount is $41K.
Add two more options: BOSE and the cold weather package and the price before any discount swells to $45,535. If you ask you will get 5% off if you negotiate, you will get more. The lease deals are generous.
Compare a slightly discounted allroad with other offerings in the "around $40K range" -- if absolute offroad capability is your need and you think a Jeep Grand would do the job, go ahead try the allroad. Then try the competition in the "sporting" category -- the allroad again will please.
Wait, I've gone too far, too long. . .this is a Touareg board. I would be delighted to have a Touareg and until proven otherwise, I will still agree with Car and Driver and VWGUILD -- for its purpose the VW Touareg is CURRENTLY the best Lux SUV -- and the allroad is a major bargain and contender if you don't need that absolute towing and/or offroad increase that the Touareg provides.
If you can afford an FX35 you can afford an allroad -- since I seem to have implied that you must spend $50K to have one -- not true, not true.
If you are looking at the $50K VW and don't test drive an allroad, you're missing a truly remarkable car and I contend with the deals that are happening now, a bargain.
Again, if the full out off road thing is for you, well the allroad won't get it, and ditto all out towing capacity.
At this price point the VW Touareg and the Audi allroad are major players and deserve your scrutiny.
#671 of 2219 SUV deals
Jul 20, 2003 (5:05 pm)
It will be interesting to see how long VW can command full MSRP for the T-Reg. A month ago our local Volvo dealers were demanding full MSRP on any XC90, and that was one factor that affected my decision to the RX 330. In fact, one Volvo dealer was not willing to take my deposit and hold the vehicle for 5 days. He was convinced it would sell sooner. (The rest of that story... It turned out he was wrong.)
The competition is very stiff. The Murano is a very competent SUV with a great V6 engine and great on-road handling. If we could have looked past the issues we had with the interior, we would be driving one now. It has been available at invoice for several weeks, maybe months.
The FX35/45 offers a high degree of quality and on-road performance. At $500 over invoice, an FX35 with the nicely equipped Premium Package can be purchased at about $35K (RWD) or $36.5K (AWD).
The '04 RX 330 is also being discounted at a majority of dealers. We purchased a FWD model at a price below $36.5K; over $3K off of MSRP. I think it is only a matter of time before more dealers start providing this level of discount; when supply catches up with demand.
Even the MDX's are now being discounted several thousands of dollars now at our local dealers. I was told one buyer was able to negotiate down to $500 over invoice.
All the other competition is also discounted, including the 4Runner Limited, GX470, ML350, Allroad, etc. Our local dealers are practically giving away the new Lincoln Aviators!
I agree with clpurnell (and other posters here) that the lack of a "premium" name; the lack of a reputation for reliability; and the targetting of off-road capabilities instead of real world practicalities (for over 90% of SUV drivers) will not bode well for the T-Reg, at least not within VW's desired price range and sales volume.
#672 of 2219 I have posted...
Jul 20, 2003 (5:55 pm)
many times before that the Touareg was created primarily for VW people, who have had to leave the brand to get an SUV...
We will only get 23,000 for 2003 and another 40,000 slated for next year...And time will prove that the Touareg will be the overall favorite based on the same criteria that Car and Driver focused upon...
A complete package for
very special customers... Volkswagen People!!!!