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#1847 of 2207 re: A tale of four test drives. . . by markcincinnati by spockcat May 03, 2004 (10:58 am)
What was the MSRP of the Cayenne V6 you drove? When I price one on Edmunds similar to what VW puts in the base Touareg V6, I come up with an MSRP of $48,390. This is close to $12k more than the Touareg V6.   Cayenne V6 options that are standard on a Touareg V6: Moonroof $1,100 Electric Comfort Package $890 Tire Pressure Monitoring System $590 Automatic Climate Control $550 Metallic Paint $495 Heated Front Seats $480 Roof Carrying System $450 17" Collapsible Spare Tire $170   I don't think those few hp and the Porsche name are worth that much, and neither do you because that was your opinion comparing the two V8 models. Replies to this message: markcincinnati (May 04, 2004 5:53 am)
#1848 of 2207 Re: A tale of four test drives. . . [markcincinnati #1845] by highender May 03, 2004 (1:16 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 30, 2004 11:42 am) thanks mark...   I wish we could have one in the cay...   have fun motoring...
#1849 of 2207 re: A tale of four test drives. . . by markcincinnati [spockcat #1847] by markcincinnati May 04, 2004 (5:53 am)
Replying to: spockcat (May 03, 2004 10:58 am) The Cayenne, as I recall, was about $43,000 (for the V6). For the money, the Touareg V8 was "the bargain" and "the performer" -- although the Cayenne V8 was very sweet. As I noted it just was, well, overpriced -- that emblem in the center of the steering wheel was just not that valuable.   Now, I did not thinkg the V6 Cayenne was "bad" -- I just, well, you know -- I couldn't see the "value proposition." On the other hand, the inventory of Cayennes was HUGE (more than 15 of them). Dealin'? Oh yea!
#1850 of 2207 Re: "Air Suspension ppdr #1846" by mmee1 May 04, 2004 (8:08 am)
I have 5000 miles on my V6 without air suspension. I love it. My opinion is save the $ on air unless you are doing heavy off road or towing.   Yes, I do have the V6. The one with the hamsters running on a treadmill for an engine. I just don't understand these anti-V6 posts. Mine is as quick and as fast as I ever need. It is great. And I have proof, unfortunately. #91281. That is my citation number from the California Highway Patrol I got for going 75 in a 55 zone while passing two SUVs on a straight away at 7,000 ft in the Sierras loaded with 4 people and gear. Good thing that V6 is such a dog or I would have a really big fine.
#1851 of 2207 Surging, Lurching Transmission by tregv825 May 05, 2004 (9:24 am)
Our v-8 transmission still is not fixed and still surges ahead suddenly when you try to accelerate from either a stop or between 0-10 mph.   VWOA continues to say they are "researching" the problem but no solution yet despite repeated e-mail messages and phone calls. This is a problem and it must be a big one because no one seems to be able to fix it. Replies to this message: mnmatches (Jul 20, 2004 10:50 am)
#1852 of 2207 hmm................. by golfgti47 May 05, 2004 (4:55 pm)
Yeah, i hear a lot about the touareg's tranny, and there not good comments. But i never heard your problem. Vwoa always says there searching, they say it so much that its actually funny! Replies to this message: chuckmorton (Mar 07, 2005 7:07 am)
#1853 of 2207 Re: A tale of four test drives. . . [markcincinnati #1840] by panzer May 07, 2004 (3:43 pm)
Replying to: markcincinnati (Apr 26, 2004 12:31 pm) You are way off on the price comparison btwn the Cayenne and Touareg V6's. To pump up a Cayenne up to where my Touareg is (V6, PP2, Sound, xenons, air suspension) would list about $8K more, and it would still be ugly in comparison, IMHO. At 2500 miles and one month of ownership, I have no regrets with the V6. It climbs the 11,000 foot passes with no trouble and works great on several very rough, steep construction sites and the slimy, muddy two tracks that I've tried so far in the Pike Forest. The jeep trails will have to wait until the snow melts. The way it is geared, I'm not worried. I wouldn't hesitate to tow with it, but I probably won't. Average mileage so far is about 17.5mpg, halfway between EPA city/highway. I had a highway tank that was almost 20mpg, mostly 75-85mph. I'm pretty impressed with the performance for such a heavy car. The V8 owners I talk to dont brag much about gas mileage. Also, the V8 throttle jump takes some getting used to. So far, my touareg is a delightful way to burn miles.   By the way, the air suspension rides great, very adjustable, but will weird you out when it starts adjusting by itself at stoplights. I keep looking around to see if I'm on a flimsy bridge. Happens rarely, and I have no idea why.   In summary, I do not agree the car is overpriced, underpowered, unwanted, unwise and should be discontinued. I shopped hard for almost a year before I bought the Touareg and I have not regretted. Serious contenders were: 4Runner, X3, X5. Came this close to a BMW, but I decided not to give up hard-core off-road capability. The v8 4Runner sport is a bargain if you can stand the seats.   just my $0.02, Dave Replies to this message: markcincinnati (May 10, 2004 8:04 am)
#1854 of 2207 Re: A tale of four test drives. . . [panzer #1853] by markcincinnati May 10, 2004 (8:04 am)
Replying to: panzer (May 07, 2004 3:43 pm) I stand corrected with respect to your data and of course your opinion. My opinion regarding the V6 Touareg stands as my opinion. The V8 Touareg compared with the V8 Cayenne is a major bargain and, no offense, the V6 variant (actually of both, more or less) lacks power (for me).   The differences in the VW and Porsche were supposed to be -- so said the car mags -- quite noticable. I would characterize the $65K Porshce Cayenne vs a $50K VW Touareg as fraternal twins, with the main difference being the empblem on the steering wheel.   Indeed, for my money, if I were to pull the trigger today and my choices were these two, the VW would be the hands down winner.   But, this is not to say the Porsche wasn't a fine vehicle. And, if I was in the $40's, then and only then would I opt for the Porsche.   I am glad you are pleased with your V6 Touareg -- these messages are, as we all know, highly subjective.   Enjoy.
#1855 of 2207 Toureg Problems/Issues by bcj2 May 10, 2004 (4:14 pm)
I just purchased a new Toureg V6 w/ every option except onstar. Can anyone address the following problems/issues?   1. Remote Control: the range is about 10 feet. What's the deal w/ that?   2. After 1 week, the airbag light came on. A part has been on order for over a week.   3. Where is the air compressor(s)?   4. There are 2 small buttons (1 on each side of the steering wheel) behind the steering wheel controls. What are they for?   5. Why can't you input the exact house # on the navigation system? It only shows you a range of #'s   6. Can you use the steering wheel controls to select the next radio station on your memory? Replies to this message: markcincinnati (May 11, 2004 10:14 am)
#1856 of 2207 Re: Toureg Problems/Issues [bcj2 #1855] by markcincinnati May 11, 2004 (10:14 am)
Replying to: bcj2 (May 10, 2004 4:14 pm) I'll try to help a bit:   1. Remote Control: the range is about 10 feet. What's the deal w/ that?   This might be within the range of "normal" -- as I recall when I test drove one this was not the case, when my Audi has this issue, it generally means the battery in the fob is almost kaput.   2. After 1 week, the airbag light came on. A part has been on order for over a week.   Part one, small surprise, part two much bigger surprise, it must mean this part hardly ever fails or that it fails so often they can't keep it in stock.   3. Where is the air compressor(s)?   I think there are two (at least) one for "load leveling" and one for the air suspension levels. I "think" the load leveling one is in the rear, I have no idea where the other one is.   4. There are 2 small buttons (1 on each side of the steering wheel) behind the steering wheel controls. What are they for?   Tiptronic control.   5. Why can't you input the exact house # on the navigation system? It only shows you a range of #'s.   With only a little sarcasm: the reason is the government won't allow a non military system to have this much precision. Seriously, the GPS system has certain technical limitations, but ones that are used in vehicles (non military) are only permitted to be accurate within "X feet or meters." The systems are tehcnically capable of precision that is greater. But the range of my Audi GPS is limited to proably 100 feet or so. Again, I read this explanation a few years back, that claimed the technology that is used is the same as the government uses for greater precision, but that that level of accuracy has been dialed down (so you can't do something military with the system). I don't know and don't care if this is an urban myth. My system usually gets me soooo close to my destination that I am delighted. If I know the house number and/or intersection I can get to the even numbered or odd numbered range that is the proverbial stone's throw from where I am going. Enjoy it the way that it is, for now, that is just the way it is.   6. Can you use the steering wheel controls to select the next radio station on your memory?   On my 2001 Audi the answer is yes, on my 2003 the wheel controls seem to be the same as pressing the seek button once.   Hope this helps, VWGUILD, I am certain knows the whole story and what he doesn't know, he can probably go over to one of the vehicles at his dealership and figure out for you.

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