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292 messages, Last post on May 02, 2003 at 1:57 PM
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#243 of 292 "Retro" Looks by 1matrix
Aug 08, 2002 (5:54 pm)
Just a couple of figures to show that some "retro" vehicle designs are becoming less popular only a couple of years after inception: (yr-to-date production numbers for calendar yrs 2001 vs 2002)VW Beetle: 78,500 vs 65,000
PT Cruiser: 123,500 vs 105,500
(Figures from "Automotive News" site)
I think these numbers show that "retro" designs may be hits their first years out, but they have much less long-term appeal. Probably why only a few automakers have embraced these types of designs.
#244 of 292 less long-term appeal... by protegextwo
Aug 08, 2002 (7:10 pm)
1matrix, thanks for the info. I was thinking, maybe not "less long-term appeal". Prolly, just "limited appeal"! I might be splitting hairs here, however; limited appeal means to me, only so many folks care for the styling or versatility of a vehicle. On the other had, "less long-term appeal"; means that the automotive product has not lived up to it's expectation of quality and value.The VW Beetle prolly is a victim of "limited appeal". I for one was never a fan of living in the past. IMHO, the new VeeDub Bug has a very limited audience. Nonetheless, by most accounts, the VW Beetle is a very competent auto?
Now, maybe it's just me, but the Chrysler PT Cruiser is the perfect example of a "lack of long-term appeal". The expectations for high levels of fun and performance were never really met? Just a Dodge Neon in fancy sheet metal. There is still some hope for the new 2003 PT Turbo Cruiser and the new convertible PT Cruiser.
-Larry
#245 of 292 Speaking of hte beetle..... by shrique
Aug 09, 2002 (7:09 am)
It took them long enough but they are finally coming out with a convertible beatle. I think they probably missed the good sales window on that one.On topic bit.
So do you think they would ever make a convertible Matrix? (GRIN)
#246 of 292 Convertible Matrix by ashutoshsm
Aug 09, 2002 (8:13 am)
What? And make that thing look even uglier? Ummm, but since we ARE talking about Toyota here ...
#247 of 292 PT Cruiser - HMMM by matrix123
Aug 09, 2002 (8:14 pm)
464,000 cars recalled for faulty fuel pump...No admission from manufacturer until the government released their crash test results...
Sounds like Focus all over again...
I guess I better stick with my ugly Matrix.
#251 of 292 Ummm, how? by ashutoshsm
Sep 10, 2002 (9:32 am)
3/50 (P5) vs. 3/36 (Toyota). Unless you consider the inflated Pontiac Vibe warranty! Now that might tempt some people.Yes, rust is higher on Toyotas, but seriously - how many new cars would rust in 5 years versus 7 or something?
Any other warranty coverage variations that I may not be aware of?
And, oh - Proteges (including the P5) rule, Matrices drool! (in keeping with the juvenile nature of the last few posts)
#252 of 292 not that warranty by nippononly
Sep 10, 2002 (9:16 pm)
I am talking about the powertrain warranty - you know, the one that replaces the expensive things that go wrong, like engines and transmissions.5/60 on all new Toyotas, as it should be with all cars these days, IMO.
Isn't being juvenile fun occasionally?
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