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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [chuckie68] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 23, 2008 (7:22 am)
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Replying to: chuckie68 (Aug 23, 2008 4:16 am)

Well I think the idea, which makes sense, is that the fair market price of any vehicle reflects whatever factory warranty is on it. If people are indeed paying more for 300Cs because of their lifetime warranties, then this would show up in the used car market, which is driven by supply and demand.
 
So in other words, the insurance company is saying that their offer includes the value of the warranty.
 
While you are entitled to dispute their settlement, I would advise you to pursue that dispute based on market evidence (doing your own research or hiring an appraiser and going into arbitration), but not pursue it on the warranty argument---I just don't think that holds any weight.
 
As for the company boosting their initial offer, well, welcome to the insurance business.
 
You might try researching other price guides to see if they are any higher. There are some with a reputation for generosity that you have not explored.
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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [chuckie68] by houdini1
Aug 23, 2008 (10:46 am)
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Replying to: chuckie68 (Aug 23, 2008 4:16 am)

OK, here are a couple of things for you to consider:
 
1. I think you could make a good case to try and recover the sales tax you paid since the car was less than a year old, and
 
2. If your company pays, you may be faced with paying the collision deductible unless they waive it. Make sure they realize that you are aware that if they then recover from the other party you will want to be reimbursed for the deductible.
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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [houdini1] by mikefm58
Aug 23, 2008 (1:10 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 23, 2008 10:46 am)

I believe in all states, the sales tax is always added on, I know it is in NY and Florida.
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houdini by marsha7
Aug 23, 2008 (1:33 pm)
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FWIW, anytime you use your collision to pay for damages that is not your fault, it is common custom for your insurance to recover the full amount from the liability carrier...then, since they paid out $15,000.00 but your damages were $15,500.00, and they did recover the $15,500.00 they will routinely write you a check for your deductible...while it is always OK to remind them of anything you want, the refund of the deductible is SOP...
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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [mikefm58] by houdini1
Aug 23, 2008 (4:06 pm)
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Replying to: mikefm58 (Aug 23, 2008 1:10 pm)

I mentioned this because Chuckie is comparing what the insurer is offering him to the estimated values he is getting from Edmunds and others which does not include sales tax. If the est. value is $27,000. and the sales tax was 7% or around $2300. that changes the value to $29,300.
 
This is good info for Chuckie to have.
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Re: houdini [marsha7] by houdini1
Aug 23, 2008 (4:12 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 23, 2008 1:33 pm)

FWIW, anytime you use your collision to pay for damages that is not your fault, it is common custom for your insurance to recover the full amount from the liability carrier...then, since they paid out $15,000.00 but your damages were $15,500.00, and they did recover the $15,500.00 they will routinely write you a check for your deductible...while it is always OK to remind them of anything you want, the refund of the deductible is SOP...
 
Sure it's common practice, and being in the insurance biz I am sure that you are aware that at times mistakes are made. It never hurts to be prepared and to look out after your own interests when negotiating a claim.
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houdini by marsha7
Aug 23, 2008 (5:37 pm)
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Absolutely correct...mistakes can be made and reminding the adjuster is never a bad idea...
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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [Mr_Shiftright] by chuckie68
Aug 23, 2008 (6:03 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 23, 2008 7:22 am)

"You might try researching other price guides to see if they are any higher. There are some with a reputation for generosity that you have not explored."
 
The adjuster "warned" me not to use KBB. That their numbers where always too high, and was based on "asking" prices from dealers not actual deals. KBB value was just over $28K -- a thousand more than their best offer...
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Re: 300 C totaled, Need Help [houdini1] by chuckie68
Aug 23, 2008 (6:09 pm)
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Replying to: houdini1 (Aug 23, 2008 10:46 am)

1. I think you could make a good case to try and recover the sales tax you paid since the car was less than a year old
 
So how do a go about that? I'm in a sales tax free state. But we do have to pay a 3.75% car tax. Which on $27K is close to $1K? do I just ask for that?
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No payment for lost warranty coverage on insurance claim by dvexpert
Aug 23, 2008 (6:16 pm)
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Replying to: chuckie68 (Aug 23, 2008 4:16 am)

Chuckie68,
 
You are not getting the facts here. In a first party claim where your own insurance company is paying you have the right to collect for any and all losses not specifically excluded from your auto insurance policy in writing. Before the accident you had a full warranty on your car that could be honored at Chrysler dealerships regardless of where you reside or travel from one coast to the other. You paid this warranty coverage as a part of the sticker price when you bought your car. If you can't collect for the loss of warranty then you have lost the benefit of the bargain you held before the loss.
 
To resolve this I would encourage you to put the burden on the insurance company (in writing) to find you a like kind vehicle that has a full warranty. By doing this you are showing cooperation and basically saying, "I can't find a suitable substitute equal in every way to the car I had, so how about you all trying your luck?" Knowing that they can't find a car with a warranty either, they will have to pay you the value of the warranty. If they don't pay you they haven't fulfilled their end of the insurance contract to indemnify you of all your losses (excepting those that are excluded in your policy language). Their failure to hold up their end of the contract could leave them open to a bad faith lawsuit. I have never seen a policy exclusion for warranty and this loss is paid routinely in diminished value cases I am involved in.
 
Hope that helps.
 
David Williams
www.SafeCollisionRepairs.com
www.ConsumersGuideToAutoRepair.com

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