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Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio by cccompson
Aug 19, 2007 (4:52 pm)
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Last month the 10th District Court of Appeals (Franklin County) unanimously recognized that diminished value can be recovered in Ohio in Rakich v. Anthem Blue Cross & Blue Shield, 2007-Ohio-3739. This is now the law in Columbus (and I sure hope I never need it!).
 
According to yesterday's edition of The Columbus Dispatch, the insurance company has yet to decide whether to appeal to the Ohio Supreme Court. IMHO the decision was well reasoned and will not be reversed if appealed. Caveat: perhaps I should say that it should not be reversed. Given that the GOP holds all 7 seats, pro-business decisions are not unknown here.
 
Per the newspaper, the SUV in question sold for $49,000 new. Five months later it was broadsided and the insurance company paid $8000 to repair the damage. The owners are now seeking an additional $6000 for diminished value.
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [cccompson] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 19, 2007 (5:43 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Aug 19, 2007 4:52 pm)

Now were they suing their OWN insurance company or the third party's?
 
In California I was under the impression that you can sue the third party but not your own company for DOV.
 
Insurance companies HATE DOV claims. They fight every one tooth and nail.
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
Aug 19, 2007 (7:48 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 19, 2007 5:43 pm)

Have never read under Collision Clauses where DV is part of the coverage.
 
It should be honored in all Property Damage Liability Claims and all U.M. Property Damage Liability claims.
 
The more pricey or costly of the vehicle in question, the more DV should be awarded.
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [Mr_Shiftright] by cccompson
Aug 20, 2007 (1:20 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 19, 2007 5:43 pm)

A number of defendants were named in the case (and the first named defendant has already been dismissed out). It appears that the insurance company here (Nationwide) was the carrier for the other driver but I can't be sure from the opinion.
 
LOL, the newspaper quotes the vice president of governmental affairs for the Ohio Insurance Institute as saying that the case is little more than a marketing ploy for civil lawyers and that it will have "...very little impact on how claims will be handled in the future."
 
Right - the spin never ends.
 
As it happens, Nationwide is my insurer and they will not pay DV to a policyholder unless the policy has such an endorsement.
 
One of the interesting points the court made related to Nationwide's claim that such claims were inherently speculative. They disposed of this summarily by saying that one of the things insurance companies do all the time is determine before and after values of crashed vehicles.
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [cccompson] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 20, 2007 (1:52 pm)
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Replying to: cccompson (Aug 20, 2007 1:20 pm)

You can probably use the "reasonable man" argument as well: If two identical 2006 Mercedes Benz or Lexus cars are sitting side by side, each one priced at the same price, but one untouched since the day it was built and the other recently repaired with $20,000 worth of body damage, which one will the reasonable man choose?
 
Exactly! And what would compel him to choose the repaired vehicle?
 
Yep, lowering the price.
 
What might be somewhat "speculative" is the actual dollar amount required to convince the man to buy the previously damaged car. But we know it's going to be a substantial amount, probably 25%-35% deduct off "book".
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [Mr_Shiftright] by euphonium
Aug 20, 2007 (3:40 pm)
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Replying to: Mr_Shiftright (Aug 20, 2007 1:52 pm)

It's interesting to observe: Some men will not purchase a used car that has been knocked up a bit, but will not think twice about marrying a woman who has had a similar history.
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euphonium by marsha7
Aug 20, 2007 (6:01 pm)
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I believe that the automobile will have its useful life shortened by being knocked up, whereas the other subject in question may just be better "broken in", kinda like a good leather saddle or a rifle after the first 200 rounds fired thru it...
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Re: euphonium [marsha7] by euphonium
Aug 20, 2007 (7:57 pm)
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Replying to: marsha7 (Aug 20, 2007 6:01 pm)

200 is a lot of rounds for one trigger or - was the saddle on Roy Rogers horse?
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [cccompson] by oldfarmer50
Aug 21, 2007 (2:11 am)
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Replying to: cccompson (Aug 20, 2007 1:20 pm)

"...will not pay DV to a policyholder unless the policy has such endorsement..."
 
I think you have it right there. Insurance companies will resist anything that increases their required pay out. Any business would. In the future I can see DV as an optional endorsement that you pay extra for.
 
I don't know if I can agree with the logic that the insurance companies should just automatically pay for DV without some compensation for it.
 
Some people may prefer to go without such an endorsement because they drive older cars where DV is not an issue. I can just see me filing a claim for my old farm truck. "Yes Mr. insurance man, as you can see they blended the paint all wrong and now the rust spots don't flow together like they use to."
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Re: Diminished Value Now Recoverable in Ohio [oldfarmer50] by Mr_Shiftright HOST
Aug 21, 2007 (8:45 am)
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Replying to: oldfarmer50 (Aug 21, 2007 2:11 am)

DV is kind of a moving target that's true.
 
If a Saturn is repaired in spectacular fashion, and photos show only some sheet metal damage (no frame, suspension, radiator or engine damage), who's to say there is ANY diminution?
 
But if a Rolls Royce or Mercedes or Lexus even has a new fender replaced and repainted, there is definitely some amount of Diminution.
 
If a Ferrari has major collision, you can just throw it away...nobody will touch it on resale....the diminution would be full-bore drastic. 99% of body shops aren't even capable of repairing it.

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